Diesel taco?

What's wrong with regular disc brakes on the GM why do they need to add an exhaust brake? Why pay for that?

 

http://www.carscoops.com/2015/05/2016-toyota-hilux-debuts-in-thailand.html

 

I have driven diesels everything from a Tri-Axle Mack Dump down to a little VW.

so.....yes and no, extra torque/mpg would be nice...but I rather spend the extra $10K on something else. In all reality I can deal with going a little slower over mountain passes...I don't mind enjoying the view. Or simply buy a fullsize with a V8. Which will tow more, and be physically bigger for more hauling stuff.

That is the issue I keep running into, midsize trucks simply don't have enough room for all my gear when I am traveling. Love the Tacoma for everything but traveling...think the answer is to have both a Tacoma and a Fullsize.

 

I wouldn't, just seems out of place in a Tacoma. Besides being noisy, smelly and higher fuel cost, what's any advantage? Torque for towing? Would need a bigger truck, full size P/U for towing anything really very heavy anyway. Tacoma's to me have always been in a special class all their own and a diesel just seems to spoil everything I've come to enjoy in a Tacoma. But I'm sure a lot would jump all over this so rock on.

 

Why are we arguing this? Some people want gas, some want diesel. Its ok to be different.

 

And you think you can convince him over the internet (=> )? If you can't ignore him TW can do it for you

 

I dunno, my Tacoma has 310,000 miles on it, and I have done little to the engine other than change the oil...while my diesel buddies are constantly bitching about all the money they have to keep dumping into theirs. $1000 fuel pumps, $3-6000 injectors, expensive oil changes...other things too, those things are so heavy, the front end wears out quicker too.

One good friend, traded in his Cummins on a gas Chevy...and recently traded in their VW TDI on a gas version...and used to be all hawt for diesels, got tired of fussing with them.

 

Not sure where you get $10k?

And this is the stereotypical answer from people who are antidiesel. We're not talking about an '84 Cutlass here but a modern, clean, quiet diesel. Obviously, your experience on the subject is limited and your thoughts therefore skewed.

And I still think people are failing to recognize this: we want it to be offered alongside, not replace the gas engines. Everyone against diesel for whatever reason can still go buy the 2.7 or 3.5. Everyone is happy.

 

I dunno, my Tacoma has 310,000 miles on it, and I have done little to the engine other than change the oil...while my diesel buddies are constantly bitching about all the money they have to keep dumping into theirs. $1000 fuel pumps, $3-6000 injectors, expensive oil changes...other things too, those things are so heavy, the front end wears out quicker too.

One good friend, traded in his Cummins on a gas Chevy...and recently traded in their VW TDI on a gas version...and used to be all hawt for diesels, got tired of fussing with them.

 

Colorado diesel is $40K and some change, you can get the gas for $30K....Tacoma would be the same.

Now if they [GM] offered on the base work truck model, and could just add the diesel and no other bullshit. I could see it...but the higher buy in price doesn't make very sense financially. Right now it is an upgrade from the V6 because you have to start with at least a LT package...that V6 is already $1200 upcharge over the 4 slug [gas].

I can get the 4 banger 4WD extra cab for $28K...now if you could do the diesel engine alone, and no other bullshit package, that gets you in at 31,700...that is much better than $40K. that makes $en$e...at least to me.


Yes, price does matter. The more I spend, the more I have to work (self employed) I rather spend less, so I can work less...

 

I want both...but don't want to pay for the diesel.

Not now, and not in the future, especially when it is out of warranty.

 

You guy's do know that there's a diesel option available for the 1st and 2nd gen

 

The $25,000 diesel toyz option? yeah?

 

Buy a used 1st gen (even a 2nd gen; doesn't need a running motor) and get a diesel conversion for $25k and you're still under the MSRP of a 3rd gen

Besides, even if Toyota brings a diesel option to the US, everyone knows its going to be a van diesel.

 

Not stereotypical or anti diesel, you maybe shouldn't make assumptions on the knowledge or experience of others. Choice is fine. The newer ones are a little better and when new they are less noticeable as diesels. As they age they seem to put out more fumes, but you still know your next to one at a stop light. And as it pulls away if you can't tell it's a diesel you must be deaf or your music is turned up to loud. Driving behind one it's pretty easy to smell diesel fumes. I've driven enough diesels in the last 50 years to know I don't want one or need one. Worked with tons of guys who drove Ford and Chevy and Dodge diesels, all loud and obnoxious. Drove Ford diesels myself for work. I know they're Detroit products, not Toyota. Was next to a newer Volkswagen at a light a few days ago and could plainly tell it was diesel by the sound and black exhaust. See these all the time. Modern diesels don't seem any different than the older ones to me. Do they need to be serviced or what? If I do need to pull something that heavy for that long of a haul I'd need a bigger rig than a Tacoma anyway.
People who tow heavy shit could actually use one and absolutely they should get one. Not knocking them for others, just don't want one or like getting stuck behind one.

 

Ah, I gotcha. But that's just stupid GM. They advertise having the most powerful half-ton V8 too (6.2, 420hp) but you have to jump through hoops to get it.

I am saying just what you did. Make the diesel an option on all trucks. No BS. (I know I hoping a lot).

 

or take that $25K and buy dirt bikes, mountain bikes, kayaks, etc...and just deal with the gas, which really isn't all that bad when it comes down to it. at the end of the day the gear hauler matters a lot less than the toys it hauls. the only thing I really want is a 8' bed to haul the gear better.

 

Ram is doing it right, you can get the EcoDiesel in their work truck, the problem I have with the Ram is the poor payload (and questionable build quality), which IIRC is only 1200 lbs, that is what you get with a Tacoma. Why have a torquey engine if you really can't haul anything?

 

I'm going to laugh when someone off roads the Diesel Collie and then we find out it's just as "reliable" as the Ecodiesel. Reliable internationally? Maybe. Reliable with NA emissions and mods to make it smooth? Probably not.

 

Only the Chevy would have had a Detroit diesel. Dodge has used Cummins since 1989 and Ford has used Navistar International until 2010 and now produce they're own.

Quote "to know I don't need or want one". So why exactly can't I have one?

And if you don't want people to assume you have no experience, maybe you should speak like you do.