Diesel taco?

Just nicer to drive while still being efficient. Notice I haven't wanted large, powerful diesels. Just a small, efficient one. I have a bigger truck for bigger duties.

 

Sure, do that. But we are talking about an almost $40 truck option that actually exists (and potentially cheaper) if we really wanted it

Besides, the 1KD is probably the last diesel option for a Toyota that doesn't require exhaust treatment and is arguably the last straight stick diesel option for US midsize trucks.

 

Don't forget to add at least $1500 to $3000 to the price in order to make the GM twins off-road capable. The approach angle on those things is great if you plan on taking it nowhere other than pavement and flat gravel roads. A Ford Edge has as much off road capability as the 4x4 Colorado or Canyon.

 

BTW Diesels do have a higher COO (cost of ownership/operation). Do you get some back on trade and with the better mpgs? Sure. I have yet to see it where it pencils out in less than 5 years though IRL. If it penciled out, do you really think all the big agricultural companies would still be running fleets of gas 3/4 tons? Nope. It doesn't work out cost wise.

Now, hang on to the truck for 10 years and have some good luck reliability wise and you will save some money. That's not your average buyer though considering over 80% of Tacoma owners have traded in there truck by then (80% taken from another thread with recent data).

 

You guys bitching about 40K trucks. The MSRP on a Tacoma in Canada is 40K. The MSRP on my Ford F150 was a bit over 50K. Sorry, just an aside, it makes me laugh.

 

and that is just it, I know I go round and round about what to get...but always come back full circle to Toyota because of their QDR, even if the specs aren't exactly what I want....in all reality a Tacoma is more than enough...for the couple times a year I do a 1-2 week trip, I just deal with the small size. Think some weather tight boxes on my moto trailer would cure my gripes with over stuffing the bed and cab.

 

Not the 1KD. No exhaust treatment and designed by Toyota to at least hit 500k miles before any major rebuild. Straight from Toyota's mouth. The 1GD is an even better option as far as performance but it comes with DEF so costs go up.

 

No, not bitching, just curious why all these people are crying for an option that already exists. If they really wanted a diesel option, they can get one for even cheaper

Im already considering a swap when my engine dies. Its basically buying new truck; 25k isn't that bad.

 

Actually pickups are cheap compared to heavy equipment we used to own.

I still don't want to pay over $30K for a new truck...just a waste of money imo, vehicles are horrible investments...you are gonna loose money no matter what...just because one can afford it, doesn't mean you have to.

 

Agree.. and 2.7 and 4.0L, not 3.5L tacomas..

I wouldn't mind a diesel, but definitely not a puny 4banger. I'd love a scaled down version of the cummins inline 6. That would be ideal. My only recent gripe about diesels in the DEF fluid. Aside from that, it would be a good void to fill. I've been saying that for many years now. Hope it happens.

Now whether I would jump the gun and buy one is a different story. It would come down to specs vs. cost. It's not going to be the equivalent of a full size 6.7L Turbo cummins, but If I were to buy one, I'd like to tow at least 7K lbs and have 250hp or so and 480ish in torque.. that would be a nice all around pickup for someone that doesn't need a fullsize, but occasional would like to tow something bigger.. And therefore, I think it would have to come with a 1ton rated axle.. so that would be nice.. And geared nicely.. also a plus.. .. At which point they should just put a full-size diesel into the Tundra and call it good! haha

For comparison, the the 6.7L cummins produces 350-385hp and 610-900ft.lbs of torque, depending on the transmission type (there are three options I believe).. and that's factory. You can push these motors to much higher figures.

 

I would just replace what you have already. For first gens you can do it for roughly $3K give or take with a low mile used engine from Japan...that leaves $22K for fuel, beer, and tacos...

 

The 1KD doesn't need exhaust treatment because it doesn't have to meet US/Canada regulations. The rest of the world concentrates on CO2 and particulate matter where the US concentrates on NOx and the other two. The 1KD meets the specifications for where it runs without urea, but even Toyota has admitted to get it legally into the US on a new vehicle it would need a urea injection system. Add the system, reliability goes down in a lot of cases. Not to mention the cleaner burn cycles can wreck fuel injectors faster which are extremely pricey.

As for the cost of operation I wasn't talking about repairs or rebuilds at all. My company runs a large fleet of light trucks throughout North America. Our replacement interval is 3 years. Want to know what the company policy is on Diesels now? No Diesels, under any case. To much to lease/buy/operate. It doesn't pencil out after you pay for everything to run the truck including it's purchase or lease cost. If you don't believe me go to any large agricultural retailer. They might have older Diesels, but the new trucks are all gas.

 

Really? For 25K I can think of a lot better things to do. For that cost I could go buy one of the low mileage VW Diesels no one suddenly wants, a new gas engine, and take my wife to Jamaica for a week.

 

The 1KD swap into a 2nd gen is guaranteed to meet California standards according to Dieseltoys. Its the best, most up-to-date diesel option for the Tacoma that doesn't require DEF.

 

Ok. Do it.

 

Yeah, heavy equipment is crazy. Those prices are being driven up largely because the machinery is getting so much more capable. The better the machine, the fewer the company makes, and then the more the machine costs for them to make the same money. I know this is happening with Agricultural equipment right now.

 

Don't need too. My engine is just fine

 

That is what I am hearing/reading too...fleets are moving away from diesels. Hell, Kalifornia wants to ban diesels altogether....the future doesn't look bright for the oil burners.

 

It meets Diesel standards for the year of the motors manufacturing. IIRC that's the reason why it passes. If Toyota tried to put one in a 2016 Tacoma fresh off the line the story would be different.

BTW, I'm not arguing here for the sake of arguing, I'm just replying. If you want a swap go ahead. It'd be neat for just the wow factor anyways. If Diesel was a readily available option on the Tacoma I'd definitely test drive one and give it a fair shot to be my next vehicle, but I'd wait a few years just to make sure they got our North America version right after the troubles Ram has had.

 

Ok, don't do it.