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I'm tired of all these reviews showing Colorado/Canyon superior

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by LuvTacos, Oct 28, 2015.

  1. Nov 9, 2015 at 9:27 AM
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    The very next day, in an alley, in Detroit....
     
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    I'm sure some American designers in the big three are going "Awe, that's cute, so Nissan thinks they can compete" :p.

    It'll be interesting to see how the Titan sells as a sort of 3/4 ton. Which has nothing to do with the Tacoma to be honest.
     
  3. Nov 9, 2015 at 9:33 AM
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    The Titan has always been a wannabe. I think the Tundra was a wannabe until they poured the power to it. However, now, the MPG's are laughable. They didn't really win any hearts until the lux versions came out, and the Rock Warrior was cute.
     
  4. Nov 9, 2015 at 9:41 AM
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    The Tundra 1794 edition.....:puke:
     
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  5. Nov 9, 2015 at 9:44 AM
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    The nissan is going for the diesel land record.
     
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    I love the basis of the name. "Well you know there was once a ranch way back in the day near where the Tundra plant is now." :D.

    No one is going "man the Tundra is a nice western bling truck!"
     
  7. Nov 9, 2015 at 9:47 AM
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    1. Me either
    2. That is not the point of that exercise, the point is to show how much power that engine can produce and its not HP but Torque. To move as large object as a full size truck through the air at 200 MPH requires some crazy power. Thats the point. Not only ability to produce power but sustain power production to accelerate to some significant speed.
    3. Looks a little like F150 and those are sold a plenty so can't be that ugly.

    Well why they have not already set a record ?... :D
     
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    Who cares about the Diesel land record though? That's like saying JD should be going for the 4 stroke lawn mower speed record. It's humorous to me why someone would think that's a good ad campaign. Plus, like others have said, that truck doesn't look like something that's been modified to take a record away for long. Drop a Dodge 2500 to the floor, lighten it out, and it'll dust that Titan.

    If Nissan wanted to sell the Diesel on it's merits why not tug around something ridiculous. Tundra did a Space Shuttle. How about taxing in a A380 full of Nissan fans with the Titan XD over a mile or two to an airport gate?
     
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    Maybe because they gunned for highest payload, mpg, and towing in the class. I hear truck people look at those things.
     
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    If you run phone as wifi it will hit up like crazy, most of them can only attach one other device (1 iPad to one phone for tethering) and drains battery of the phone pretty quickly.
    Better option is to get the z915 and use that as mobile hotspot.
    http://www.t-mobile.com/internet-devices/t-mobile-4g-lte-hotspot-z915.
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    Nissan, Ford, GM apparently... :D
    http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/08/ford-f-250-super-duty-breaks-two-land-speed-records.html

    Its better bragging right than drum brakes for sure. And it showcase how much power (torque engine can produce) thats the key here.
     
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    Show me a truck with Rear disc brakes that can do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19BNRvuNLWE

    Disc brakes are great for stopping a heavy load, most don't tow more than 4000 lbs with a Tacoma so its really not needed.
     
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    I didn't say anything about the V8? I said the F150. Every configuration of the F150 is different (different cab lengths, box size, engines), but it owns those titles. Here's a summary:

    http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/every-2015-half-ton-trucks-power-economy-and-capabili-1661737800

    Um, that truck set two Diesel speed records... which I just learned about now... and nobody cares... hence why it's a silly thing to build...
     
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    No one seems to recognize their is very little weight on the rear axle when braking. Drums give more than enough braking force for this application. And they are cheaper. And they will last forever.

    I checked the drums on my GFs 2010 Corolla with over 100,000 miles and the damn things looked like new still.
     
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    Again, how many people who own F250's even know, or care, that it owns the high speed Diesel record?

    Your comparisons are as funny as always.

    Drum brakes is just one of the things the Tacoma has and the competition doesn't. The sales force needs to know that and come up with their own strategy of how to sell that. No salesman is going to try to sell the Nissan XD as a badass hotrod though lol. Going back to the topic, the sell sheet is just for internal use to allow each salesperson to develop their sales strategy. They need to know how to sell the bad and the good.
     
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    If by nobody you mean yourself than you are probably right. :D
    A lot of people do care, hence why Ford spend a lot of money on making that happen. And notice they did not do it with either Gasoline engines.
    A also pretty sure you wrote Ford will beat the title with 5.0 V8 (I can look up to quote you)
    Nobody in right mind would make drum brakes a selling point in 2016. Unless you want to become laughing stock.
    Nissan speed records showcases raw power of the engine just like Ford record does. And there is no denying Ford Diesel is one helluva motor, so if Nissan beats Ford diesel that means Nissan got a bragging rights too.
     
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    But drum brakes would be good to have during a zombie apocalypse as the brakes won't get clogged with zombie debris. :thumbsup:
     
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    Show me one major publication ad that talks about the speed record. The website you showed is a thousand word note. Quite simply, the big 3 aren't selling 3/4 tons based on their quarter mile times and their buyers aren't interested in racing their trucks either.
    I mentioned the Ecoboost V8, which is not a production motor at this time. The rumour is that it will be available in the Raptor and F250 in 2018. Will it be the end all be all engine? No, to be honest it will be wasteful compared to a Diesel for the fuel it consumes compared to what it will tow. However, if I was building a race truck, the all aluminum Ecoboost V8 will likely be hundreds of pounds lighter then the powerstroke and put out more than enough HP to set a record in a 3/4 ton. If speed is what you are going for and you don't care about endurance, a gasoline engine is the way to go. The Ecoboost V8 is ready for publicity, and a speed record with an engine like that in several vehicles would be a good concerted effort along with a Baja showing and some workplace testing.
    Again, you missed my point. When you are trying to sell something successfully to your customers and give them a good buying experience you should know both the good and the bad about what you are selling. If you can put together a sales strategy and know how to marginalize drum brakes issues if that comes up with a customer you will may have more success with that customer. Know your product, know it's limitations, and know how to answer the questions consumers have.
    It's a bragging right, but will it attract people to the brand? Is it something sales on the floor will use or know? Probably not. Sure, any publicity is good but that was were I was coming from. I think Nissan could of spent this money towing around a few hundred thousand pound jumbo jet and that might of been something sales could use. People still remember the Tundra towing a space shuttle. People would remember a Titan towing a super jumbo jet.
     
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    If you re-read my post, I didn't say a single thing about towing. :thumbsup:

    And, show me how drum brakes are credited for a truck backing out of a stuck... :ballchain:

    Not sure its relevant. Also, not sure that crawl control is even needed to back it out...pretty sure I could do the same thing with my feet...
     
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