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Gen 3 stereo upgrade

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by jamesball21, Nov 28, 2015.

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  1. Dec 1, 2015 at 2:17 PM
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    Well that was not really my point, but as you say it's bought and paid for. I was really more curious as to why ********* would pitch this box to anybody as a viable option for the Tacoma. I know it can be done, but a 12 inch sub really doesn't fit all that well in trucks like these, and I would think somebody who claims to be the "Tacoma" experts wouldn't steer its customers down this path. I know the concept of bigger is always better is popular in car audio, but its also wrong: a lot! I was just surprised that ********* was not more reputable than that and curious as to what they told you. But hey their website has a hot girl in a tight shirt showing me how to take off a door panel. The whole operation is scummy.
     
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  2. Dec 1, 2015 at 2:18 PM
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    A well built box plus install should not be $1000. Shit if i lived closer id do it for $300 lol
     
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  3. Dec 1, 2015 at 2:26 PM
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    Yup I agree, even with the LineX spray this box was only $85. A good shop is gonna mark it up, but it should be quite a bit less than a grand. Besides I would give what you got a go and see what it does. If its evident that the sub is starved for volume trade it out with something smaller. You can always fabricate a ring of some kind to mount a smaller sub. You're not in too deep, and as you said you had a lot of this already.
     
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  4. Dec 1, 2015 at 2:28 PM
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    Got an email back from your installer. He said it would be around $1300. Don't know where there price difference is coming in.... Hmmm.
     
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  5. Dec 1, 2015 at 2:39 PM
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    HOLY! SH!T
     
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  6. Dec 1, 2015 at 3:30 PM
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    Hey peeps josh from *********.
    This box is meant for someone who wants a little bass without spending a lot of money.we have this for a 10 and 12, there's a certain depth the box can go, obviously not a huge full size 12 can fit, it's more for shallow mounts.
    Same thing for 10s, more for mid sizes.

    These boxes are made from high grade MDF. Their easily about 100$ in marerial, sanding, routing, spraying etc...

    Also different subs have different sizes which leads to air space quantities.
    The less air space the less flow the sub will make. ALLLLLLL in the math and airspace. Our ID 10 and 12 have the perfect amount to sound okay, vs our IDQ 12 ported box that hits hard as all get out.
     
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  7. Dec 1, 2015 at 5:37 PM
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    Wow the elusive and mysterious response from *********. I guess I got my answer as to what ********* is saying about sound quality. Spend this kind of money and it will sound "okay". I mean that's what we are all after right, "okay"? OMG, as I stated before, run, run away from *********. If they really think that box design is just a matter making a box big or deep enough to "physically" shove the sub in there, then they are way out in left field. Problem is they do know better, but don't care. If they can sell it. It doesn't matter if it's a standard depth or shallow mount. Without the proper volume a sub will sound like shit and they know these boxes are way off. It's not all in the math. The sub manufactures make it real easy and tell you how much volume you need. Single 10" about 0.75 ft^3, a single 12" about 1.5 ft^3. In 0.5 ft^3 the subs gonna sound like shit and they know it.
     
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    I'm not saying that at all, of course we want customers to enjoy good sound woth good products.
    My point was a 600$ set up with a huge box and a full size 12 ported will obviously over due a shallow 12 in a little sealed box.
    Like I've mentioned before it's all about air space.
    You get what you pay for.
    We have other sub and box solutions to choose from.
    Just like we offer low grade plastic mount vs heavy duty mounts. We offer all kinds of products to flex woth customers budgets.
    All about air space and tuning.
    You can't just shove any sub inside NY box and expect it to Sound good
    That's why we offer subs with our boxes that leave the right amount of air space, which makes it bang hard as crap.
     
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  9. Dec 1, 2015 at 5:50 PM
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    Believe it or not math is a huge factor with air space.
     
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    Josh you're not dealing with amatures here. Your right it's all about air space and the box you're selling for the size driver it is built for is well below what the math says you need. Even the image dynamics specs call for a NET box volume of 1.0 ft^3 on their 12". The box that you sell and market for a 12" sub is way to small and will sound like shit no matter what driver you put in it. And to say if you want it to sound better go with a ported bigger box is the wrong answer. A properly designed box paired with a matching sub will deliver the subs designed frequency response regardless of weather or not the box is ported. That's the math.
     
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    Again, that's why we offer a sub that'll sound good with that particular box.
    This customer used a different sub we don't sell.
    Id know the combination with our ID 10 and 12 with this box dosent sound like "shit" because a numerous amount of people around our area have it and love it.
     
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  12. Dec 1, 2015 at 6:19 PM
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    agreed, Sorry josh i cannot stand behind anything your selling. Your argument makes zero sense. If i was to supply a box and setup it would start with the limiting factors, Space. If you only have the space to use a 8 inch sub hypothetically, why on earth jam a 12 in there that is not made to be able to perform in that small of locations. Secondly, you stated " which makes it bang hard as crap" seriously : hard as crap exactly, because comparing it to Poop is about the only thing it sounds like compared to what its supposed to sound like. The 12's F3 in that small of a sealed box must be in the high 65hz
     
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  13. Dec 1, 2015 at 6:20 PM
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    Do you have this set up from us?
     
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  14. Dec 1, 2015 at 6:23 PM
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    I hope your not asking if i had one from you because you won't catch me dead with one ;) My friend purchased a truck that already had one and it was so bad ( he was a fellow audio enthusiast ) that when i drove him to pick it up, i had a listen and the first thing he did was pull everything out. So yes, i have heard it and imo need to go back to the drawing board and really look at your RTA because your freq response spectrum is HORRIBLE.

    Anyways, this isn't to speak ILL, its to tell you to supply them with feedback and listen to what the people ACTUALLY Need
     
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    Everybody has their own opinion, I'll just leave it at that. Because "we don know what were doing" even with 5000 people saying they love that set up.
     
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    This is not an opinion, this is years of competing, testing, trial and error with this truck and being fully qualified to give advise on this topic. Now if you had a 10inch in a .75 or so sealed box with 1-2 pounds of stuffing i wouldn't have anything to say would i now

    Because they don't know any better ;) but all good, not my money. If you knew anything about these trucks you'd know that they have a resonant freq of 52-56hz, With a 12 in that small of a box with probably a F3 of around 60hz your basically loosing all the bass below 50hz as there will be one steep as cutoff from 50hz down with a MASSIVE PEAK in the 50-60hz range. A proper setup will present a flat response curve from 35hz up but hey, i don't know what I'm talking about.
     
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    What is "woth"?
     
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    Looking carefully there are typos on both sides of the argument, but that's not what we're here for. If you pick on one, you might as well and critique the rest instead of pitch forking on one side of the argument with something as minimal as a typo.
     
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    Wut?
     
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    I paid $175 for my ********* box with the install kit and shipping. Is it optimal and will it satisfy the sound of an audiophile? That would be a resounding "hell no". Will it suffice for the equipment I already have until I have the money to build a better sound system? Yes. I only wanted to show that there are prefabbed boxes available to purchase that will fit behind our backseats without the need of building a custom box. It's a 12" box optimal? No, but they also sell an 8" and 10" version if you desire. The boxes are well built with very good wood and sprayed with LineX. Will it sound like complete shit? It's possible, but I'll give it a go and see how it performs. It's not like it can't be replaced. :thumbsup:
     
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