Why not get a Jeep?

I agree that most automakers suck ass now... But Chrysler did take a monster bailout so they're effectively on borrowed money selling these new cars that suck. Haha.

I wish my business got free handouts to compensate for my mistakes

 

Because no other other manufactures recieved bailouts....


http://jalopnik.com/5704575/ford-bmw-toyota-took-secret-government-money

 

Chrysler has been out from under bankruptcy since 2009. Part of the government bailout required they merge with Fiat, which they have, so they aren't "on borrowed money" anymore and haven't been for some time.

 

This is good for the prospective customer. I'm just in shock how many major catastrophic problems people have...

I maintain everything I own by myself and expect a reasonable amount of bugs or failures over the years. But I have never been in a "lemon" situation before so I just can't relate to it I guess.

 

Everyone gets handouts, it's embarrassing!

 

Touché, sir.

 

I have very detailed threads on wayalife.

It was so bad that I have one of Chryslers VP's personal email and cell.

As I previously stated Chrysler has offered to repurchase thousands of vehicles like mine.

A lot of the people with JK's think that the problems should be expected, apparently. So they don't document it or they attempt to tackle it on their own.

About 9 months ago or so, another friend of mine had a swaybar failure not unlike mine - when they fail, they fail disconnected. The factory replaced his e-swaybar assembly.

I also have a friend who is a Chrysler service writer. He constantly has JK's waiting to have the front and rear carriers replaced due to failed lockers - again, when they fail they fail locked.

Many people won't have any issues with their JK or very few. The more use use it the more it fails. Most people have Sports and Saharas which do not have e-lockers or e-disconnects.

I know people with very reliable JKR's but they have Dynatrack axles, ARB air lockers, Atlas t-cases, and manually disconnecting swaybar or prorocks.

I have another friend that started out with a 2012 JK, then bought a 2013 JK, and is not in a 2015 JK - the migration was from a lack of reliability. Now he tells me he's considering a Tacoma. He came from an FJ and would probably get into another one if they were still in production.

Another friend of mine purchased a 2013 JK and now has a 2014 JK - the migration was from a lack of reliability.

At about 5k miles in both my 2013 and 2014 the dash surrounding the touch screen would feel like it was about to fall apart going down the road at 35 mph. You can take one finger and press the plastic in an inch...at least. My Tacoma on the other hand had a well built and solid dash that does not vibrate and feel like it's going to explode, nor is it soft to the touch and I'll bet that yours is the same.

Chrysler goes through a lot of effort to convince people to not say anything but people still report issues. Service writers still have to diagnose issues.

That whole quality thing - Chrysler is doing it wrong.

It's your money, your decision, and your time. Buy what you want.

 

I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but I don't know of anyone with any vehicle go through what you've gone through. Crazy

Worst I've heard is a buddy has a 2015 GMC 1500 All Terrain and has had the whole front end replaced within 15k miles.

That's crazy though man. Hope that never happens to anyone.

 

Jeeps must be big with the lease crowd who dump their vehicles before the warranty is out. At least that is the way with the Grand Cherokee owners I have known.

 

You will hear horror stories here but think about the people you know and the wide variety of vehicles they drive. I can't think of anyone who has had extensive problems out of a relatively new car. The internet amplifies things.

 

As stated I have very detailed threads on wayalife. There is no amplification.

For the most part the people at Chrysler were nice, with one or two exceptions but the people who are exceptions...I'm not sure if they have every drive. A Wrangler or even seen one for that matter.

I was even offered a significant settlement and in exchange I would of had to wipe the slate clean but continue with what I knew would be problem after problem after problem.

I respectfully declined a replacement that would of been nearly given away as well as a settlement offer.

Wranglers are cool but if you are going to use it as it was designed to be used it's going to fail.

For the people who say these things don't happen, you'd have a hard time explaining that to the many many people who have diff failures and are sitting on the trail with a ball peen hammer trying to knock the magnets loose. Some people go as far as draining the diff, manually unlocking it, and topping it off before heading home.

A lot of people don't put many miles on their Wrangler and the miles they do put on are on paved roads - then they boast they haven't had any issues. That's nice but not at all relevant.

One of my friends that is on his second JK in two years uses his Wrangler as a recreational vehicle. And he still has issues.

It's a bummer.

 

I'll be blunt, I didn't buy a Toyota because of the salesmen. I wasn't impressed at ALL with the one I used to buy my FJC [hell, I had to call the useless salesman and tell him my FJ was in and for sale on their website. I gave the dealer and salesman the lowest scores I could on the Toyota website questionaire and THEN I get a call from the dealer wanting to know how I can change my view and how I feel to Toyota. My second purchase was some better but the games began when the price was raised by about $1500. I can be an obnoxious prick and while it took several hours, I got the price agreed on initially.

While there wasn't a thing on the Dodge lot [new 2014-2015 models] I wanted, every single sale before was 10 times as professional without the damn games. Follow ups actually happened, the couple recalls done were handled pretty dang well. Any complaints were minor. Toyota could learn lessons from the ''evil'' big three IMHO.

Toyota, Good vehicles for the most part, horrid salespeople and work ethics. I did deal with a couple decent guys, it was a relief after some of the tards.

PS, NEVER EVER try to excuse you laziness and failure to inform the customer of updates by claiming personal issues, it just makes you look like more of a d--khead to the customer.

 

The salesman at my local dealer was hard to work with, so in the end, I didn't work with him.

I drive an Off Road and he asked me what I thought. I said it's a nice truck but I'm looking for a Pro. He told me Pro's don't exist and they were something made up on the Toyota sites to increase sales. I laughed and left. A week later I called him and told him I was standing infront of two Pro's. He told me he didn't believe me. So I sent him pictures and invoices to give him a chance to do a dealer trade so that he would make the sale. He insisted that these Pro's didn't exist. So I test drove the white one and told the sales guy at this dealer that I'd like to purchase the truck. About a week later on my next day off I made the drive back to that dealer and got the truck. About a week after that I was at the first dealer and the salesman from there was upset with me that I didn't purchase the truck from him. lol

 

Sorry - was away for a few days. Wow, a lot more feedback!

I have never owned a Grand Cherokee - can't chime in on this.

This is ridiculous. I have owned JKs before, and have never come close to any level of issues you're describing. You, sir, are the exception, and not the rule. Also, there is absolutely some 'X factor' here that caused your vehicles to have issues. There's a common denominator in both of those Jeeps having massive issues, and that is you.

Also, where is your thread on wayalife thread detailing your issues - could you provide us a link?

Thanks brother It has been busy lately! However, hoping to get home soon.

X2. I don't pay any mind to outrageous over-the-top stories like that. As you said, if that was 'every Jeep', then Jeep wouldn't be outselling Toyota on the Wrangler vs Tacoma like crazy. It's just not possible. Multiple problems with multiple vehicles usually means the common denominator is the owner.

Wranglers are terrible vehicles to lease. They're in incredibly high demand, which means that the money factor (a lease's interest rate) is really high. That means you can't generally get good leasing deals on them.



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Yes, that's it. JK's are perfect in every way. I didn't go through anything. All the documentation by not just myself but Chrysler is completely fabricated and Chrysler decided to not just buy back both of my JK's but another 800k JK's simply because they felt bad.

Why would I want my vehicles to work? I'd obviously rather go through two years of headaches and frustration, loose all the time and money put into them, and end up in another manufacturers vehicle. Making all the new parts that I have sitting and waiting useless.That, makes perfect sense.

I specifically also stated the JK. Specifically.

Many other people also had and continue to have issues with the JK. Specifixally.

What JK's did you own and use? What trails did you use them on? Specifically.

Since you are an expert on the webernets, I wouldn't think you'd have a hard time finding very public threads on what is probably the largest Wrangler forum around.

Hang out at a dealer and ask what each JK is in for, specifically. Then tell the service writer that you said it's not possible because, you know, you said so.

Look at the tru-lock e-lockers. Having field the carrier in my hands they don't look bad. However, these area. Constant point of failure for anyone that locks up. Not locks up in a parking lot to crawl over a curb but people who lock up because they are using their vehicle for any activity they they enjoy and have more often than not traveled a long way to get to. Their unlock time gets longer and longer until the magnets do not separate. Leaving you with a failure and locked diffs. For whatever reason carriers always seem to be an estimated 12 days out, leaving you in a rental for at least 12 days.

This is one of the reasons ARB air lockers are so readily plopped into Dana 44's on a JK. They work, they work right now, and they work every time. The tru-locks are considered to be a weak component, which is unfortunate. You can spend $30k - $50k on a Rubicon and you have to accept that you are probably going to have carrier failures.

Last I was aware, leases were popular with with Sports, Sport S's, and I believe the Sahara. Leases were not offered on Rubicon's since these are the models that are expected to actually be used.

 

I have one of each. 14 Wrangler Rubicon 2 Door, (4 door not a real wrangler imo ) and a 13 Tacoma Sport. I plan on keeping both for a long time so we will see about reliability. I will say that my Taco doesn't seem as well made as my old 89 pu 93 4runnef 95 4runner 02 4runner. Those trucks where real solid with almost no rattles this one already squeaks and rattles.

 

I suspect the 2dr's are a little different. They use the same components as the JKUR's but with less weight, which means less stress.

I had a 2007 and a 2010 JKR, with the old 3.8 - they did a lot of hard miles without falling apart. Or at least not in a way which made them impossible to live with.

Do you know what is rattling on your truck?

 

Dash and something in the rear seating area.

 

I have rattled in the rear seating area but that's from all the ammo I have stored there lol.

Compared to the dash in my Wrangler, the Toyota is a solid sheet of steel and the Jeep is a bag of marbles.

 

I've actually heard of two instances recently that salesmen lost the sale of a Toyota in my family. Gramps wanted a tundra and the salesmen was an ass hole so he bought a Silverado, and they quoted my dad a price on a Tacoma online and didn't honor it when he went in. They said it was a mistake. So he flipped them the bird and left. Diehl Toyota in Butler, PA.