Toyo or Coopers?

Here is a pic of the 2 tires you are looking at. They are not the same type of tire. The STMaxx is an more aggressive tire then the AT2. Kind of in the middle of an all terrain and mud. The AT2 is a all terrain. Still a great tire. The Toyo Open Country RT is the tire that compares to the STMaxx.

Hope it helps. also more plys do make it heavier, but also stronger. For when you do go off road

Cooper STMaxx

Toyo open country AT2


Toyo Open Country RT

 

Duratracs Similar aggressiveness as the STMaxx and Toyo RT, but with more siping so you don't skid as much in rain and slush. The tire carries the mountain-snowflake symbol.

Duratracs in LT265/75-16 load range C is 45 lb.

 

What were you coming from?

My current Hankook is 39 lbs, and another member on here weighed a ST Maxx 255/80R17 at 59 lbs (don't believe Tread Depot's lies). That's 20(!) lbs extra per tire. Science and math have to dictate I would see performance loses.

But, like I said, they still tempt me. Part of me feels like I should stop being such a pussy and just get them.

 

+1 to all of these

 

St Maxx more aggressive? The term seems a bit nebulous. It certainly has larger voids and grooves to help with evacuation of Mud and snow. Is this what you mean? Both come in E-Load with a heavy sidewall lug. I would say based on the tread pattern, the R/T tire would suit a more aggressive off-road driver than either the Maxx or the ATII.

 

Good grief...called our local Les Schwab dealer for a price. OMG. Higher than anyone else around here @ $243+ per tire for the Toyo Open Country AT/2 LT 265/75/16/E.

 

Tead Depot does great prices on Toyo.

 

I don't know when the AT3 came up but I have a set and I absolutely regret it. An inch of snow and the traction is shit. the stock dunlops were better in the snow than these are. If you don't get snow they are a decent tire

 

Yeah its looking like I'll have to order them myself and find someone to get them put on. Ironically, the place TD recommends for an installer is also the place I got the highest quote.

 

This winter I am using my Toyo GSI5, but went through last winter with ATII I did not find them so terrible. It will ultimately depend on the quality of the snow, but mine cleared alright up here. They werent stellar on ice, however. This is why i went back to proper winter tire

 

A kick in the nuts

 

They often have free shipping deals. Mine arrived in 3 days so I was quite impressed. And, unlike many here, I've never had a bad dealer service experience, so they installed for me and did alignment. $16/wheel mount & balance if I recall.

 

Yeah I noticed they have free shipping on Toyos through the end of the month. Now to find TPMS sensors...oh wait. They have those too!

 

You'll be happy with the Toyos. The ST Maxx are great tires, but are a tad overkill for what I require.

 

I was comparing my Blizzaks to the ST Maxx and they aren't even close to the weight the Maxx shows. Too much tire, but I don't want to turn my truck into a single purpose vehicle.

Would you all recommend getting Tread Depot's road hazard protection?

 

Ok, Thanks

 

From my 30K miles spent with the toyos (LT265/75/16C) so far... They are good tires. They perform as an all terrain should. They are comfortable enough on the street that you will enjoy DDing them. I'm very pleased with their wet traction. I have been pleased with their off-road performance as well. I am still suprised at how well they clear mud. The only point where my experience differs from others who have commented is on noise. They were pretty quiet when they were new. Starting around 20K they began to get a little louder. Now at 30XXX miles, they hum like a mo-fo. It doesn't bother me at all, but that may be a point of concern for others. I am fully confident that I can get another 30K out of this set. They are wearing very slowly. With all that being said, my next tire will be the ST Maxx. OP, I don't think you can make a bad choice here. Good luck.

 

If you are not going to be doing anything difficult offroad then go with the Toyo's. I personally recommend the Coopers though because every set of Open Country AT I've ran chipped terribly well before 40K requiring immediate replacement.

 

What sort of terrain was chipping them?

 

Gravel. Them and the old KO2's are bad for it in my experience. Maybe not terrible because I'm sure there are worse tires but compared to Coopers it wasn't close. I had both the old Toyo AT about 4 years ago and the newer version about 1.5 years ago. Both chipped up badly. My Cooper ST Maxx's went for far longer on both of my trucks before chipping. In fact, when my company took back my Ram, it still had the Coopers on it after 30K and they looked fairly new.

BTW I'm not anti Toyo. I just threw on Toyo Open Country winters on my new work truck. I'll report on them next winter once they break in a little but for an E range snow they seem to grip well.