Are manual trannys old school, out of style/function?

COME AND TAKE IT!

 

My first citation would be having been a member of this forum for 4.5 years I've seen a much larger amount of posts from people with MT problems than AT problems. Has to be 3 or 4-1 if not more.

My second citation is for you to look around a bit outside of Tacoma World. ATs have continued to evolve over the last decade and are more efficient and reliable than ever. Whereas MTs has been for the most part unchanged. There are dozens of articles written by automotive experts talking about this change and how ATs has gotten cheaper and cheaper to own whereas MTs has gotten more expensive or stayed the same due to unchanged designs and parts. If you factor MPG in to the cost, it becomes even more apparent.

 

you can still do that with an automatic, right?

 

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Give it a few years for the auto manufacturers to sort out dual clutch transmissions. IMO they are the best of both worlds driveline/fuel efficiency of a manual and shift times (in milliseconds) of a traditional auto.

 

I can't because first gen auto only has 1 and 2 then D. Also it's not the same as heel toe-ing the clutch. Not even comparable.

 

I'm happy with my mileage 1/2 hour commute home 60 mph some hills but averages out to be flat.

 

The 93 is a five speed. Love driving the shit out of it. The 16 is an auto. I learned to drive a three speed on the column in a 1976 long bed ford without power steering.

 

LOL on the 3 speed. The first truck I drove was a 67 Chevy 1/2T with a straight 6 3 speed on tree. The first truck I ever bought was a 1966 Ford v8 3 speed on the tree.

 

I used to be a "manual only" guy. Cheaper initial cost, cheaper to repair/replace. That was when manuals were 4-spd or 5-spd. I had the 6-spd in the 2012 and the gear spacing was kind of goofy around town, didn't do well going from 2nd to 4th, 3rd to fifth skipping gears which I like to do to cut down clutch wear.

Highspeed offroad a manual is awesome since you choose your own upshift and downshift points, low speed offroad an auto is better. Towing offroad an auto is better, try to maneuver a trailer offroad back and forth in tight spots with a manual and the clutch burns like crazy.

To each his own, both have good points and not so good points.

 

Lol.... I guess people can't be honest with themselves. Clutches go out way more then 250k. But anyway.....It cost about 500 to 700 to replace it. That's roughly at least 3x times over the life span. 1500 to 2100 total cost. Not to mention flushes etc. (And don't give me that bs, I can change my own clutch!) Its still an extra cost over the span. They both last the same length. Even by your own count a few more flushes are CHEAP compared to adding 2 clutch replacements.

 

I think the inherent problem with automatics is that there are still clutches and friction material in them that wear out, but when they go bad they are more difficult to rebuild/replace. On a manual you can remove the trans and swap a clutch in an afternoon with basic hand tools but with an auto, unless you really are really familiar with the internals, you have to take it to a shop.

 

No need to flush a manual transmission, simple drain and fill, they don't have or need oil coolers.

For most people (who trash a car after 5-7 years) an auto is cheaper because they don't maintain them.

 

1. I can change my own clutch. It's a cheap and easy job, anyone that says differently has never done it.

2. "Flushes etc"? You mean changing the oil? That's regular maintenance and no difference than the auto. And what exactly is etc?

3. Of the two Toyota trucks I've owned one went to 220k before needing a clutch and the other to 335k. Two Hondas in my past made it near 200k before being sold, original clutches on both. I have no reason to believe this truck will be any different.

 

Yep, and also even the best torque converter lockup you only have 99% efficiency, so that slipping is creating heat and not effectively transmitting power.

 

I'm pretty sure he was saying that he can change clutches.

Now if he thinks I can't change a clutch he needs to think again, I rebuilt a bulldozer underneath my house last year.

 

This is seriously one of the reasons I like manuals. Also it makes it that much easier to say no if anyone ever wants to borrow my truck.

The main reason I drive a manual is because they are simply more fun to drive.

 

That's a helluva project! Awesome!

 

I remember reading an article in either Hot Rod or Car Craft years ago where they dyno tested the same exact car in the same day, only difference was they swapped transmissions. They tested with, I think it was a TH350 and a 4 speed, I forget what kind of motor. Long story short, the auto lost about 36% through the drive line and the manual lost about 24%. I think that's worth something when we're talking about small motors that don't make a lot of power to begin with. I've heard many guys say that the 4 cyl Tacoma is much better with a 5 speed manual than the old 4 speed auto, though the new 6 speed auto is supposed to be pretty good.

 

Hell, keep them both, or better yet, sell the' 93 to me.I wish i would have kept mine, a lot of the desert passes were dynamited for the width of a Stagecoach, Jeep or Baja Bug, my '93 squeezed or scraped thru with nothing to spare a lot of times, but I'm pretty much shut out with my second gen.

 

Yes OP , manuals are for old people living in the past