2016 Tacoma Dyno Time!!!

Would I like a Diesel Tacoma? Yes
Do I think Toyota will make one? No
Is that why I picked up a 2016? Yes

/end diesel discussion

 

Ha I know. I am just making fun of all the beer-gutted good'ol boys who get on this forum and grunt "derzul!" and "V8!" all the time. I am glad there is not a diesel option. Toyota likes to keep their trucks relatively simple. That is why their resale is so high.

 

You aren't missing anything. It sounds like you are looking at it exactly the right way to me.

Nobody buys a Tacoma to go fast. Some people whine about how slow it is, while they are driving a truck that is even slower. Idiots. If you want to go fast, get a performance car and use the truck for the stuff the car can't do.

 

Toyota's business model has always been QDR first, and performance somewhere else down the line. It's why their redesigns are infrequent and why their performance specs always trail other brands. Toyota is very conservative with their trucks. People need to stop begging for turbos and diesels. Diesels in the CAFE era are full of complicated expensive emissions equipment. No thanks.

 

The simple part is why I like Toyotas. There was so much complaining about how Gen 3 is just Gen 2.5. That is a good thing to me. If they had something that worked, why change all of it? If that sounds like a fanboy comment it is because I am. Gen 3 is my first brand new Tacoma. All my other Toyota trucks have been used when I bought them and I have never had a warranty on one. And my repair bills have always been for small stuff, never a major failure.

 

I agree with you with your statement. Toyotas have always been simple vehiches that just work. If you need 500 hp and 400 lbs tq then look for something else , but i am willing to bet the toyota engine will outlast anything else out there that is bigger and more powerful.

 

Very well said and my feelings exactly. Reading about "drag race" results between the three generations here was a bit comical to me. This is not a 1/4 mile racer, this is a dependable off-road exploration and hauling machine. Be aware of what you buy and what it's intended for, you'll then sleep happy.

 

Or here, go buy yourself a Grand Cherokee Hellcat when it comes out next year. 700 horsepower to get you no where fast, as it sits in the dealership getting warrantee repairs every second day.

 

all good stuff but at the same time the 3rd gen manual taco would of won that tfl drag race

 

I also bet $5 that is the case. Didn't look like a decent launch on the 3rd gen at all. Give that man a stick!

 

This is why I stopped dumping so much money on upgrades for cars a very long time ago. For the amount of money you spend the return on excitement is very little. Its better to buy a performance car that's all ready tuned up from the factory. But even then I don't find them that exciting anymore.

I've driven all kinds of exotic cars on the street and race track and they are fun for a while, but If you want to go fast and have a thrilling experience get a sportbike and take it to the racetrack, nothing else compares.

 

It was not good, bad launch and slower reaction time, I just want another source to test the manuals 0-60 to see if it actually is .8 seconds faster than auto

 

For a shitty point of comparison, here is some crayon analysis...

Cliff notes: I took @Redbuskets dyno, normalized it with a +31 lb-ft correction (his max of 234 is 31 less than spec'd max of 265) for drivetrain loss, and overlaid it on a SAE crank plot for GM's V6. Here we go....



The above is a rough dyno plot of GM's LFX 3.6L V6 from SAE. Note this is from the crank. Now, let's use some MS Office magic for a ballpark look (this is by no means, at all conclusive or exact) to get some perspective.



The comparison is based primarily on percentage (%) available torque at an RPM compared to the max torque measured (in this case, also specified). Because we are comparing percentage torque available, not pure numbers, it should be a reasonably valid comparison. The overlay of actual torque numbers is not valid and for ballpark comparison only. Caveats: I have no idea what the margin of error is, and this bench plot is nowhere near as detailed as @Redbuskets dyno.

I put the 2GR's % results from @Redbusket's dyno plot on the graph in Orange for comparison. Here's a messier look on how I slapped the two graphs over one another.


Edit: to add a conclusion here, all it indicates is that the torque rolloff profile of the 2GR is comparable to the LFX. Doesn't look bad at all. People complaining about weak power? I say blame the Auto tranny and Toyota's nonlinear throttle control.

 

You can bet that the GM data has been smoothed and averaged and is not the actual measurement. The actual measurements would have variations in them as the yellow line does. So the only meaningful information you can draw from that, is that the GM engine has a similar rolloff on both sides of the torque peak.

 

Yeah, pretty much all I take from it is that the 2GR is *probably* in the ballpark for torque in the lower power band, minus the high ~3k hiccup. I think it means it may be a decent result. Certainly not scientific or solid conclusions, as you say.

 

This dyno thread told me one thing a lot Tacoma owners (3rd gen) are not car geeks/ wrenchers...etc...it's not a bad thing but it did suprise me....There appears to be enough knowlege in TW to get the rooks up to speed (pun intended)...jmho

 

GM?
Why would I purposely buy something that is going to try to ruin my life?
It would be like punching yourself in the face or jumping off the roof of your house, something's wrong with you if you're going that route.

 

To clarify, I think this is interesting based on all the anecdotal "no low end power" bellyaching.

 

We're truck geeks/wrenchers. The difference is we spend time/money on off-road handling and other mods related to truck usage (overland set ups, towing) Unlike most car forums, where it seems like every dyno thread is nothing more than a big circle jerk discussing engine tunes and who can produce the best numbers. Been there, done that with the "import scene" back in the 2000's interest/hobbies change as I get older.

 

I think you're right. As I've said before, I think the "no low end" complaints have more to do with the DBW throttle programming, not the power output of the engine itself. If you put your foot in it, it goes. If you gently squeeze the throttle, it makes sure you're serious about it before it starts adding a meaningful amount of fuel and air.