Ike gauntlet Tacoma 3.5 vs Canyon 2.8 diesel...surprising uphill times

2 big items people may be missing here...

1) torque is for getting a load moving. Horsepower is what keeps you going at higher speeds. When you watch virtually all towing runs under extreme loads, the trucks are in the horsepower band to keep the load going.

2) Toyota admitted outright that the vast majority of it's consumers don't tow anywhere near the truck's capacity so they didn't design it for that. Does the Colorado tow a little better? Yes, because that's what it was designed to do. You're comparing 2 vehicles which were designed for 2 different things. That would be like comparing a Mustang to a Fusion.

It definitely is valid to compare these things ONLY in the context of what YOU use your vehicle for. Just because one tows better and one is better for offroad doesn't make one truck better than the other. It means they are each better at what they were designed for.

 

Here's some data on that throttle control you mentioned from the 2GR-FKS engine spec PDF:

 

Everyone on this forums gets all worked up over torque but HP does actually mean something when towing. 181 HP is weak. 369 ft lb of torque is great but if 181 is your peak HP then towing won't be exceptional on the Ike Gauntlet. One must consider the Tacoma revved at 5500 rpms while the Canyon did it at a relatively leisurely 3,000 RPMS and did it with much better MPG. Regularly towing at sustained durations of 5500 RPM can't help engine longevity.

 

Exactly.....
In this test, the Canyon diesel was easily the best tow vehicle. Horse power is only incidentally important when towing. Safety is not in top speed when towing which you should not be doing. The Canyon had standard tow features the Tacoma does not have and the diesel made the experience more econmical. The Canyon diesel is a better tow vehicle. Deal with it Taco fan boys.

 

A diesel at 3000-3500 rpms regularly isn't going to last long either.

 

Okay Colorado Fanboy .

I'll stick with this:

 

Yup. Even the TFL trucks guys, who have a major hard on for the Colorado in most of their videos, admit when it's compared to a full size the only thing it has is price and a slight mpg advantage... and the price advantage disappears when typical OTD price is considered.

 

Guys... its a 4 cylinder diesel vs a v6

 

Are we talking about what's best on a plate or in a pina colada?

 

Tbh, they should have placed all trucks on cruise control on the way down, if they really wanted to see some grade shifting. I almost feel that this is an apples to oranges comparison, and also the canyon was towing a lower percentage of its max capacity than the taco.

 

6.7mpg with the diesel vs 4.5mpg with the 3.5L.

6.7mpg vs 4.5mpg. That's 45% better mpg towing.

On flatter terrain if the 3.5l got 10mpg, the diesel gets 14.5mpg. That amounts to about 95 more miles from the (tiny) 21 gallon tank when towing. That's a little important.

 

Man, for someone who seems fairly knowledgeable and says they have personal experience with diesels in workplace environments, you say some dumb stuff. A diesel is, by design, stronger and better suited to stand up to abuse than a gas engine. Common knowledge.

Face it, the smaller, less powerful diesel outperforms the 3.5 in everything except outright speed. I understand that you have some kind of deep seeded hate of diesels and some kind of creepy, unhealthy attraction for Toyota but think before you post.

 

Which can be said, verbatim, for the Tacoma.

 

Thanks for the laughs

A Diesel engine operates at lower RPM's for a reason. Everything is heavier in a Diesel to handle the amount and nature of the power they create. At 3500 rpms a Diesel like the one in the Colorado is right at it's limit. Similar to how the Toyota 2 GR is right at it's limit at 6000 rpms. All that extra weight in the engine creates loads of it's own. Operating either at the edge of their powerband for an extended amount of time is not going to be good for the longevity of either engine.

As for "better for abuse," you'd need to define abuse. Are we talking better with the same load in a 3/4 ton? Are we talking about better smacking against the rev limiter? Because those are two separate things and if you were half as knowledgeable as you are cocky you'd know that.

Then again I know your post is a joke and you're looking for a reaction, which is fine for someone whose here to create the trouble they thrive on.

My driveway used to have three different brands at the same time. I've owned 5 brands in the last five years. I could care less for brand or fuel type as long as I've been burned by neither. However for my needs, and I do tow a TT a half dozen times or more a year, a gas half ton does the job perfectly. For fun in the mountains, my gas S/C'd Tacoma is perfect. I wouldn't replace either truck with a Diesel version if it was available. If I towed more weight or needed a horse trailer the story might be different.

 

@BDL5589 I've never said the Tacoma on here is gods gift to man. It's a truck with it's own benefits and faults. However I'm experienced enough to know that the Colorado, in both engine configurations, has many of the same limitations no matter what fuel it runs on.

For driving around daily, the Colorado Diesel doesn't interest me. Nor do I have interest in getting rid of any of my vehicles for a 3rd gen Tacoma any time soon.

 

I think it did a nice job. I don't need or want a diesel engine but its nice that its available for people that do. I'd imagine we will see more in the segment if it's successful. I'd really like to see cheap compact trucks

 

Thanks for the laughs

A Diesel engine operates at lower RPM's for a reason. Everything is heavier in a Diesel to handle the amount and nature of the power they create. At 3500 rpms a Diesel like the one in the Colorado is right at it's limit. Similar to how the Toyota 2 GR is right at it's limit at 6000 rpms. All that extra weight in the engine creates loads of it's own. Operating either at the edge of their powerband for an extended amount of time is not going to be good for the longevity of either engine.

Thanks for the lesson. I have no doubt that longevity will be reduced in both by running close to the limit all the time. But since that longevity is better in the diesel to begin with, due to that heavier construction you speak of, it will still outlast the gas engine, I'd guess even better under abusive conditions. And while I can't prove that, I don't believe you can prove half the claims you make against diesels either.

As for "better for abuse," you'd need to define abuse. Are we talking better with the same load in a 3/4 ton? Are we talking about better smacking against the rev limiter? Because those are two separate things and if you were half as knowledgeable as you are cocky you'd know that.

Not sure where I was cocky but come on man, use your imagination. We know what typical abuse a working truck faces.

Then again I know your post is a joke and you're looking for a reaction, which is fine for someone whose here to create the trouble they thrive on.

While I do enjoy making fanboys squirm, that's definitely not my intentions. I even try to ignore most posts like yours but sometimes I simply can't. Mostly when they're spewing biased information or ignoring common sense.

My driveway used to have three different brands at the same time. I've owned 5 brands in the last five years. I could care less for brand or fuel type as long as I've been burned by neither. However for my needs, and I do tow a TT a half dozen times or more a year, a gas half ton does the job perfectly. For fun in the mountains, my gas S/C'd Tacoma is perfect. I wouldn't replace either truck with a Diesel version if it was available. If I towed more weight or needed a horse trailer the story might be different.

Like you (supposedly), I outgrew brand loyalty a long time ago. Towing 6 times or so a year, you're definitely not the typical diesel buyer but it still doesn't make sense as to why you hate on progress. The fact that GM was innovative (a word Toyota doesn't even know apparently) and offered a diesel, as well as a gas V6 (which is stronger than the Tacoma's, btw) is a good thing for consumers.

Oh, and if you may would feel differently if you towed a horse trailer, why are you arguing about a video where the Canyon is best...at towing a horse trailer.

 

Uhm NOT surprising, if you understand the strengths and weakness of diesel vs gas

 

Red font. Pretty.

This is getting silly man. Have a good night . Where you got fanboy from posts like this,

I never need to know.

I own a couple of new F150's too. I passed on a third gen Tacoma. Hey though, I must be a fan boy.

Oh and a real horse trailer, as in one for 3 or more horses that you can take to a show, is well out of the Colorado's tow rating. Just a small single horse trailer with a horse is damn near 6,000 pounds, which I would prefer not to tow behind any midsized trucks.