Tacoma at charging station picture

That is a expensive cost.
Average person drives 15k a year. A sedan such a a tesla lets say 30mpg. So 500 gallons of gas a year. Say $2 a gallon is $1k per year. So those natteries cost 12 yrs worth of gas to replace. Are they going to last 12 yrs though? My phone is only 1.5 yrs old and the battery is only about 2/3 of when it was new.
Ontop of the $12k for replacement batteries, the person has been paying their electric bill to charge up every night.

 

and dont forget the 4.9B of our money that we give to Tesla as well. Money well spent !

 

Also, don't forget about the subsidies to the oil and gas companies.
I was just relaying things I heard from Elon Musk. I Know it may not be good to listen to the one with such interests but he appears to be a non-typical business man. I think he should be celebrated and encouraged. He (and the engineers) has done a lot that others could have been doing a long time ago.

How often do the batteries go bad?
How are the replacements covered?
What are we arguing about again?

 

Screw electric cars. Give me good 'ol fashioned horsepower that comes from dead dinosaurs!
The gas and the planet will last till long after I'm dead and gone.

 

Oil mainly comes from decayed plants i believe, dinosaurs contributed some as well. Have You seen the Teslas smoke most of the gas powered vehicles?
I crave the big V8 power as well but that's just conditioning, soon we will see them as an annoyance.

Two years old now, should be more stations available today.
https://www.teslamotors.com/blog/first-across-us-supercharger

 

LOL...I know that. I was being funny, kinda. I really care nothing about any "green" initiative.

 

Ahh, apathy.

 

I didn't mention any subsidies, in my cost break down, as I know both oil, and regular car companies get them as well.

How often do batteries go bad? Not sure, but every other thing I own with a battery is only good for so long, usually a few years.
How are the replacements covered? I would guess in a car such as this, that would be a wear item?
What are we arguing about again? The viability of electric cars in today's market place.

I am all for new technologies to better the planet, and our life experience. However, it needs to truly be better, not just something that gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling while still being just as bad if not worse than the current option.

 

Someone else mentioned subsidies..

I wonder how many Prius battery pack have been replaced? Looks like they average 5-7 years.

 

Prius however does not rely entirely on Its battery. It still has a gas engine for some driving time and if the battery goes bad, it will still drive.
If they average 5-7 years though, that is half of what the tesla would need just to break even.

 

Guys like him are important I agree. But though he was successful with Paypal and somewhat with SpaceX , Tesla has still not proven itself as a major competitor to the big 3 and in addition without gov subsidies Tesla wouldnt exist as it is today.

He's not the next messiah ,just take a look at his other company Solarcity... ouch.

 

Look at the bright side. With an electric Tacoma you would not need to worry about questions like:

What is the best muffler for power?
Can I make the scoop functional?
Regular or premium electricity?
Mobil 1 or Amsoil?
Long or short tube headers?

Although, the good old "What is the biggest tire I can fit stock" would still come up....

 

^ For the win!

 

The solution to pollution is dilution

 

I love that we can say that, 2$/gal, we just hit that this last year. I never thought I would ever see gas prices drop below what they were when I first started driving. in the 3 years ive owned my truck, i have spent over 8k in gas.

 

This is ignorant dribble, and full of typos. Can you link to the cars.com article?

Off a standard wall outlet at 110V 12A charging any car takes forever.
However using a 240 volt NEMA 14-50 outlet that delivers ~40 amps you can fully charge overnight at home.
The battery energy density is not yet there to support driving across the western US unless you stick to major routes. But, that is ok.
For a DD in town/metro area car, its an awesome idea. In fact, charging up to 100% is not great for any batteries. Most drivers will keep it charged at like 60% to prolong battery life, unless planning to go on a long drive.

Diesel is king for range and towing right now, and gas is nice. However think about how nasty gas stations are, and all the building costs. Who's gonna spill electricity filling up?
Electric charging stations are so much easier to put in, and the electrical delivery infrastructure is there already.

BTW, Edmonds found that their tesla would charge at 219 MPH. (Yes charging can be considered in miles put into the battery/hour of charging)
http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-...s-how-quickly-does-a-supercharger-charge.html

BTW, I'll cite more sources
https://www.teslamotors.com/models-charging
and
https://www.teslamotors.com/support/charging

 

Agreed. BUt you you think the average person has an extra 1.5K-3K lying around to have a it installed by a pro?

 

NOPE!! But when they realize how nice it would be to have one, that will change. Just watch all the people unplugging the dryer in their garage to charge their car over night.
Does the average person have $80k lying around for a Telsa? Or come April 1 $35k. I'm willing to bet your auto loan may soon have a "home plug" option to roll the price in.

Here is why I'm interested in the cheap one that soon to be announced:
To take miles off my vacation vehicle, my Tacoma. We just hit 100k miles.
Less maintenance . Think of all the things that keep your ICE "happy". Radiator, fuel pump, oil, intake, exhaust, blah blah blah.
Also, climate control. "I'm leaving home/work in 10 minutes. Pull out phone, turn on HVAC"

At current gas prices, my Tacoma is not THAT bad.
10c per mile right now, vs about 4c for the Tesla. (Assuming .3kwh/mi and $0.15 cost of kwh)

 

Charging during offpeak times helps a lot. I am pretty sure that it is still cheaper than gasoline.

There is a pretty big move torward natural gas and renewables. No one claims that electric equals zero pollution, but it is relatively cleaner in the long run.

What Tacoma can go 800 miles?

Recycled you mean? Also, I am pretty sure that Tesla is developing a program to sell old battery packs as backup power sources for homes (like a generator), since the batteries are considered "spent" for vehicle use at only like 70% of their life cycle.

 

Sorry for the typos, typing on a phone sucks. Maybe if I got a tesla and was stuck at charging stations for hours I'd have time to proof read more..
So difficult to look up the article....
https://www.cars.com/articles/2013/11/how-quickly-does-the-tesla-model-s-battery-charge/

I don't really care what super high #'s tesla claims on their websight. Its called marketing, and they want you to hear the highest miles per charge. Ill go with the real #'s from a source jot trying to sell me the car. Just like I don't take everything on the Toyota site about my truck 100%.