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Mid Travel BS 2.0

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by 2ndGenJonny, Jan 12, 2016.

  1. Mar 5, 2016 at 12:40 PM
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    Iggy

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    I guess the TC add more caster than the DK ones. Does anyone know how much each adds?
     
  2. Mar 5, 2016 at 12:56 PM
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    It's not a big deal guys. Honestly if you have too much caster you will end up rubbing something in the front, just as if you have too little you will rub the cab mounts in the rear. It's all about finding the perfect balance. I have found with mine it is best at about 2.8-3.2* at most to prevent both frontward and rearward rubbing.
     
  3. Mar 5, 2016 at 1:03 PM
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    Don't they purposely offset the caster .5 or so for road crown?? Even caster will usually pull somewhat right because of road crown.
     
  4. Mar 5, 2016 at 1:14 PM
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    Sometimes, sometimes not. I'm not sure if the difference is as much as 0.5 or not.

    Regardless I find this not usually a sensible thing to do at least for my driving. If you live some place where you drive on two lane roads at high speed all the time then fine. For the rest of us that rack the majority of our mileage on multi-lane freeways often in the left lanes then this "road crown" compensation does exactly the opposite of what we want. I always specifically tell the alignment folks I want even caster and not to attempt to compensate for road crown, the attempted compensation will be hurting as often as it is helping.
     
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  5. Mar 5, 2016 at 1:22 PM
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    I always ask for even caster too and it drives best for me. I believe standard practice is to have the vehicle pull right so that if you were to fall asleep or be incapacitated the car would drift right and not into oncoming traffic.
     
  6. Mar 5, 2016 at 3:49 PM
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    There is no need to take King CO's off to adjust them, if you jack up the truck so that the wheels are off the ground the CO's are drooped out just as if they were laying on a bench...there is zero difference between turning that collar on a bench vs on the truck and in fact it is easier to work on on the truck because the top hat is still bolted in vs wrestling with it on a bench. The newer King's don't use a spanner wrench they use a straight round rod which is much easier to use. I have adjusted mine on the truck 100 times amd none of the holes in the collar are messed up at all.
     
  7. Mar 5, 2016 at 3:52 PM
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    Well shittles. I took the truck back and here are the numbers I got on the second round.

    The thing they failed to mention about why things were off in the first place with the left side was the cam tabs were flat. So this is as good as it gets until I get the TC kit.

    image.jpg
     
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  8. Mar 5, 2016 at 4:22 PM
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    The spring could be put in a compressor which would allow the collar to rotate freely.
    Idiots if they didnt tell you the cams were flat
     
  9. Mar 5, 2016 at 5:52 PM
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    It is a fucking pointless waste of time, even with 700 lb coils you can easily adjust them on the truck...jack it up, adjust , drop it down, drive it around the block to settle the springs, measure it, look at it...done...did it with my old Kings, still do it with my new Kings... But if you want to remove your CO's just to turn the collar be my guest, be sure to check your blinker fluid and plasti dip something while your at it.
     
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  10. Mar 5, 2016 at 5:54 PM
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    How so? Flat cam tabs will make it nearly impossible to align properly.
     
  11. Mar 5, 2016 at 5:56 PM
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    I know that. I was saying they are idiots for not mentioning it to him the first time
     
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  12. Mar 5, 2016 at 6:01 PM
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    I just reread, I'm a little slow tonight.
     
  13. Mar 5, 2016 at 6:18 PM
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    Well it's there for now. Will the truck LCAs move if the cams are flat?

    I'm going to order the TC gussets Monday and have them shipped overnight. I don't think j should go to Death Valley with them like that.
     
  14. Mar 5, 2016 at 9:33 PM
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    u and i are in the same boat. front left cam tab flat. have trip coming up tho so can't wait to do TC kit, going to have the flat one rewelded as a short term fix
     
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  15. Mar 5, 2016 at 9:43 PM
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    Same boat. I have a trip to Death Valley next weekend and I need to get it fixed.
     
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    I was told 1" by King.

    Also, I jack the front of the truck up, to full droop. Then I set the preload. Beats taking them off the truck.

    If you buy the King adjustment tool, you won't damage the holes at all
     
  17. Mar 5, 2016 at 10:42 PM
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    In theory if they're tight you shouldn't lose alignment unless it droops out enough or stuffs it hard enough to knock alignment out. Anyone please correct if wrong.

    But it's definitely something that should be fixed as soon as you can. But I wouldn't cancel a trip over it.
     
  18. Mar 6, 2016 at 7:08 AM
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    I was able to adjust my 8" King coilovers on the truck when I ran an LT setup on my 2006 Tacoma.

    However, I wasn't able to do adjust my 6" King coilovers on the truck when I ran an MT setup on my 2012 Tacoma. I asked Downsouth Motorsports about this and they explained that King uses a 14" spring on their OEM series coilovers but the rest of the industry i.e. Fox, Icon etc all use a 13" spring. The spring on a King coilover is already pre-loaded even at the lowest setting. DSM will tell you not to adjust these on the truck to avoid damaging the collar and threads. I only found this out after the collar jumped the threads on my coilovers I was adjusting on the truck.
     
  19. Mar 6, 2016 at 7:50 AM
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    On 1st gen mid travel setups, what range of vertical travel numbers are you guys looking for? Is 12" enough? I'm going to have to outboard a set of shocks in order to get anything more then 10".
     
  20. Mar 6, 2016 at 7:52 AM
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    Maybe it has something to do with the fact that King uses a pinch nut? I could see those jumping threads a lot easier if they are too loose when adjusting. :notsure:

    I've had no problems adjusting my 14", 700lb Icons on the truck with the front jacked up. Maybe I've just been lucky though :notsure:
     

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