2016 Tacoma 4 cyl verses V6!!! My opinions after driving the 4 cyl Auto

$3100? When I was shopping for my 2gen it was about $6500 more for the V6 and $2500 more on top of that for 4x4. My 4-cylinder Prerunner was close to $11K less out the door that a similarly equipped V6 4x4. That's why I choose the 4-banger and did a 4x4 swap. Cost me $2k to do the swap. I really don't notice a difference in power or mileage with 4wd.

 

Your math depends on getting over $5K off msrp on a prerunner but not even a dime off on a 4x4 V6. Most people pay way under msrp for 4x4 V6, and you got the deal of the century if you paid $21780 as you told me before.

 

Yea sounds like it. They did not want to go under $31k for the V6 4x4 DCSB. I tried to get them down from $21780 on my truck by shopping at other dealers. I had another dealer tell me to run back and buy the truck before they changed their minds. I guess I did get a good deal. It really was the only reason I got a 4-cylinder Prerunner and not a V6 4x4. I could justified paying that much more.

 

The 2.7 is a turd, but it's an endearing turd. I will say that they do get a little better as they break-in. Plan to have 4.88s installed in mine soon.

 

Not trying to be a dick, just a bit of a devil's advocate. A full size comparably equipped truck is cresting $45k I payed nearly $12k less for my OR and I can soundly say that the depreciation variance between the two will swing strongly in the Tacoma's favor.

To stay on topic, the I4 would only be useful for light commuting/small loads. Even running to Home Depot and loading up with garden soil for a project would seriously tax that engine (honestly the V6 would as well but not nearly as much). Personally I would save up and fork over the additional cash for a V6. But the I4 is probably ideal for the true "light" truck owners. So to each their own.

Also, being disappointed that a 4 banger mated with an auto transmission is gutless is like being surprised that salmon tastes fishy.

 

Haha! There are NO mountains in WV. Come visit the west coast if you want to drive over mountains.

 

That is apparently the nature of the way they programmed that transmission. It really likes to overshift. Does the same with a 6-cyl.

4-cyl isn't settling.

Cute, but you pulled that information straight out of your anus. Especially the part about "running up your rpms". These 4-cyl engines, unlike older technology 4-cyl such as that old 22R[E?] in that 4-runner you had, make tons of torque at very low engine speeds. Don't blame your observations on the engine when the problem is in the transmission.

 

My I4 works great in CO.

 

My 4cyl hauls ass no big deal.

 

my current 4 banger gets nowhere fast. The 3rd gen v6 is already sluggish at low rpms..I cannot imagine the new 4 bangers.

 

It`s even more of a turd in an automatic 3rd Gen, I test drove one the day before I bought the V6, the truck is just too heavy now for an I4, the 2.7 has proved itself for many years, it is a great little engine, if Toyota wants to continue to use the 2.7 they need to bring back a regular cab model that is a little lighter.

 

Nothing going on in the 1st gen section ? or did you do like so many others, see this thread as an opportunity to make a ridiculous comment about something that you do NOT own ?

Or are you the new recruit into the Toyota internet engineering staff ?

Just curious....

By the way do not take the above the wrong way, I am not downing your 1st Gen, I owned two of them, both of which were I4`s and loved them both. But that was when the truck only weighed 2900 lbs.

 

I realize that a test drive is how most people make up their minds. In the case of the 4 cyl however a few miles is really insufficient to understand how the 4cyl is mapped, and how to get it to respond.

Clearly, it isn't the truck for everyone, no one is claiming that it is. But test driving the truck for two miles around the dealership hardly makes one an expert in a position to make broad proclamations about Toyota's future and their engineering.

Of course, this IS the Internet, and experts abound. . The most telling aspect of this thread so far is the fact that not one of the people who actually owns and drives the truck regularly regrets their purchase.

 

Wrong assumption to make on the 2 mile test drive, I went up and down hills on back roads, I also took it on the interstate, the test drive was 19 miles that I did on the 2.7L. It had 2 miles on it when I began and had 21 on it when I got back.

Both of my 2.4L 1st Gens make the 2.7L in the 3rd Gen look bad.

Whomever it is at Toyota that is making the decision to put the 2.7L in a truck that weighs over 4.000 Lbs needs to be demoted/moved to another job that they can perform well in.

IMO, there is no justifying Toyota`s mistake putting the I4 in this heavy of a truck, It`s a turd, there is no nice way to put it, for those that are happy with a 3rd Gen 2.7L, enjoy it, you bought it.

 

My bad. A 19 mile drive absolutely qualifies you as an expert. Especially on the Internet.

 

Cool story, tell it again.

I guess you missed my post on another thread where both of my 2.4L 1st Gens would smoke the I4 2.7L 3rd Gen.

I may not be an expert but I have been driving a Taco since January 1998.

It`s really common sense, any vehicle weighing more than 4.000 Lbs needs more than 159 Hp, if it intends to get out of it`s own way.

The upside is that you can make changes to the intake and exhaust and not only will you like your 2.7L, I feel that you will love it.

 

Apparently no one here has driven a 2.5 normally aspirated diesel Land Rover 110. 67 hp and about the same weight as a Tacoma. That truck is slow.

I just don't see the issue people have. The 2.7 will comfortably do 80mph even up moderate grades and with a load. Anyone expecting it to be actually fast is insane, but it goes fine. My only issue is it is slow off the line. It really should have had 4.3 diff gears in the manual rather than the 3.9.

 

You don't know the vehicle well enough to know how to get the power out of it.
Your claim is absolutely out of line and frankly, insane.
The 2.4 made a whopping 142 horsepower.
The current 2.7 is labeled as 159, but they changed the scales in 2006. 2005 Tacoma 2.7 (same engine) was listed as 165 hp (old scale). So you're looking at 23 hp in favor of the new one.

First gen had a curb weight (4x4) of 3877 pounds. I'm going to ignore the 4x2 weights, since they dropped the 5-lug configuration, which means that you can't directly compare it. Second gen (which is the same as so-called "3rd", which differs mainly in updated body stamping) tops at 3950.
Thats a difference of SEVENTY-THREE POUNDS!
(take that, anybody claiming that the new ones are so much heavier...)

That means you're looking at a 16.2% power increase to a 1.86% weight increase.
The new ones have a HIGHER POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO!!!

Or, we can even look at the old 2.7, since I think the 2.4 was strictly 5-lug. The old 2.7 was 150 hp. New one is up by 15 (remember, old scale), 15/150 = 10%, which *still* exceeds the percentage weight increase by a factor of 5.

How does common sense apply here? You've arbitrarily come up with "4000 pounds" as being somehow meaningful. It isn't meaningful, its completely arbitrary.
Not to mention the fact that what you are comparing to that is sooooo much "faster", is *BARELY* under 4000 pounds.

So let me get this straight... making it NOISY will make somebody love it? I thought we were talking about POWER here.

 

I was seriously considering getting the 2.7 because I know it's a great engine but the more I read and the couple acceleration videos I've seen on YouTube makes me feel like it really is underpowered for the truck like a lot of people are saying and that the v6 is the way to go. I had a 99 reg cab 4x4 with a 5 speed and the 2.7 and even back then it was kinda lacking in the power department but it did ok. That thing probably weighed between 3200-3300lbs though. Now the most comparable truck is around 4200lbs. The couple videos I've seen of the 2016 with the 2.7 put it at a 11-12 second 0-60 and that was the 4x2. I don't why they didn't update the 2.7 with direct injection at the least.