Toyota replacing my trans with a remanufactured trans

what a stupid post

 

only if you don't get the joke

Touche

 

Not matching numbers on Trans may hurt resale value ,can you be compensated?
Hopefully the remanufactured tranny has no parts that have any wear that they thought "we can get away with not replacing that"

 

While this may be true for many of the aftermarket rebuilt parts out there, Toyota's remanufactured parts are sent back to the manufacturer or their own remanufacturing facility which I can assure you is no basement. Their remanufacturing facilities are as good as the ones that originally manufactured the part. Aisin (the OEM) is the one remanufacturing their automatic transmissions.

Again, were you purchasing parts that Toyota remanufactured, or aftermarket? Toyota's remanufacturing process uses the same standard as new and yes, they are covered for the full 3/36k (or in the case of a transmission like in this case, the 5/60k warranty).

I'm not entirely sure what kind of extended warranty he would need or be looking for. Toyota will cover the transmission for 5 years or 60k miles whichever comes first, from the date of first use. In a case like this, the transmission they're putting in the car will be covered for the same amount of time that the original transmission was being covered. What's the need for more than that? I mean sure it would be nice I guess if they'd do it for you, but it's not really required.

Toyota always covers all replacement parts, new or remanufactured, for the entire warranty period. Having parts replaced under warranty always means the parts will be covered for as long as the original part was covered or longer; never less. Though this is of course from the date of first use, not from when the replacement part was installed.

There are new transmissions in stock in the parts supply side, you could buy one if you wanted to.

Toyota remanufacturing standards are that all items get replaced, whether they look worn or not. Other rebuilders replace what failed and leave the rest, Toyota replaces all components subject to wear. For example a bearing that hasn't failed would be left in place by an aftermarket rebuilder, Toyota always replaces every bearing. Additionally, if Toyota has made improvements to components, they will also apply those updates to the remanufactured part.

With regard to warranty parts policy, before a vehicle is sold, Toyota has to replace parts with new unless they can't be had in which case they will use remanufactured. After the vehicle is in service, remanufactured will be used unless it will be an extended period of time and a new part is available. Sometimes if there are no available core units available through Toyota's remanufacturing program, they will pull from the assembly line to supply the remanufacturer, so you are essentially getting a new part at that point as well.

I've not seen any Toyota remanufactured parts that had a significantly higher failure rate than their new counterparts. They're high quality parts that have been looked at carefully one at a time.

Jeff

 

Jeff I like you, but there is no way I am going to believe you, even for a second that Toyota is shipping transmission from US lets say Massachusett to Japan, to get them rebuild than back to MA or any other state.
To ship something heavy like transmission over freight costs couple hundred $ between states, To ship transmission to Japan and back would probably cost as much as new transmission coming aside of the trucks.


Yeah few times I bought reman part from Toyota dealer thinking its going to be better quality than NAPA and .... I now usually get things from NAPA.
Experience may depend on the dealer, but that is my experience. Not to mention NAPA seems to get rebuilds done with Japan sourced parts (especially bearings).
I absolutely despise to buy Toyota part at the dealer, just to open up and see Made in China on it (Again wheel bearings with plastic cages are proud example)

BTW: Is there a way to buy Toyota Japan Sourced parts, used to be that parts had two separate part numbers, one with the letter was Japan sourced, now all I see is the same type of the cheap part.

 

Aisin has manufacturing and, more importantly in this case, remanufacturing facilities in the USA. You are correct that they do not ship the parts back to Japan for them to be remanufactured. I meant the same company (manufacturer) not the same factory that it was originally built at.

There are definitely some high-quality parts from aftermarket suppliers, but you need to educate yourself on what you're getting. They're not all equal. Typically speaking, at least when you buy it from Toyota you have some idea of the quality before you get the part and can actually inspect it yourself. For many people, they don't even know what they're looking for when it comes to quality differences. That said, it is pretty rare to see a part from Toyota that was made in China. It is happening more often however. For what it's worth though, even the wheel bearings from Japan have plastic bearing cages, it's the design they decided to go with.

Even when in the parts catalog something will be listed as (L) locally supplied or (J) Japan supplied, that only means that the part is being supplied by Toyota USA or by Toyota Japan, it actually doesn't mean where the part is made (though more often than not the Japan-supplied part is in fact made in Japan, I've seen quite a few that are made in Thailand or China even though they are Toyota Japan parts). That being the case, the parts catalog most often will list those options when the factory was using both items interchangeably. After about 2008 the Tacoma started using many more USA-supplied parts instead of USA- or Japan-supplied, and as such the parts catalog stopped listing many of the (J) parts as options. That doesn't mean they don't exist, but it does make it harder to find the same part as a Japan-supplied part, it often takes some cross-referencing to find the correct part, but it's more on a part-by-part basis to find something that will work. Often times the Toyota Japan supplied part will supersede to the Toyota USA supplied part for dealerships in North America. In cases like that if you wanted the Toyota Japan part you would need to purchase it internationally (Japan or elsewhere) and have it shipped to you.

Jeff

 

Does this happen when you accelerate, or when you are decelerating? I seem to have this happen when slowing down. Truck vibrates pretty bad from 20-15-ish mph and then shifts into 2nd and it stops vibrating the rest of the way to a stop. Every now and then, it thunks into 2nd

 

But they are not sent to Aisin Japan where original quality is. Thats my point.
US based division can not fill transmission properly with ATF, so to trust same people with same quality but this time with rebuild ?
We already know quality is not the same for products manufactured in different location.
Best example are again Wheel bearings. That is crucial part of every vehicle, once Toyota started sourcing them from China everybody swapping them at 40 000 miles.
It started with 2gen trucks and I bet you the same low quality wheel bearing is in 3rd gen.

Which brings us back to original point, it seems that anything not produced in Japan by Toyota has much lower quality, which is the reason people like me stopped buying Toyota vehicles and I bet its going to get worse.
So Reman transmission even so has "warranty" its not going to be the same quality, which was the primary reason for majority to buy new Toyota...
see my point?

 

I get your point, and of course that would be even more applicable in cases where the transmission was originally manufactured in Japan and were then remanufactured in the USA. That said, where is the AC60E/AC60F used in the 2016 Tacoma manufactured? I don't have the exact details/facts on that, but I'm pretty sure they are built by Aisin USA (most likely AW North Carolina, Inc.).

Discussing the reliability and quality of Japanese-made versus domestic-made Toyotas is of course always interesting, but in this specific instance, I'm not entirely sure it applies.

Jeff

 

Another one bites the dust

 

Only happens 1st to 2nd when I accelerate. I have not experienced any vibrations or problems when upshifting or downshifting in any other gears.

 

I have to apologize for putting some of the post in bold. I do not normally post on forums so just learning proper etiquette.
I do not trade vehicles every six months. I switched from buying new Ram trucks to Tacoma.
The reason: Tacoma reliability and resale. I thought maybe I would like the Tacoma enough to keep it. Hopefully, I will.

 

I am having this identical problem in a DCSB OR. Vibration on deceleration from 20 and a hard clunk into 1st (could be second I guess) and it happens sporadically. I had the truck to the dealership once for fluid and they "topped it off" and said everything was operating as normal. I am trying to give it a few thousand miles to see what happens but I think I will end up back at the dealer sooner or later.

 

Yea it probably is first. I think one time it happened I watched the rpms jump back up one more time so i just assumed 2nd. The dealer told me it was "the big truck tires." I'll be mentioning it again when i go in for my 5000 mile checkup.

 

I generally like my dealer and don't specifically think they are giving me the run around...I think they believe it is normal too but I just can't get my head around how that vibration feels and the clunk. It almost feels like the engine is going into the beginnings of a stall. They keep quoting this "Atkinson cycle". Mine does that where the RPM's will jump back up in first as well. I came from a CVT so I feel everything but this isn't normal. I'll try to ride it out to my 5K service and make one of the guys go for a ride to prove it likely. Is there a thread out there of other people with our exact same concerns?

 

I tried to start one and it fizzled out without any real answer. It does seem to only be with TRD OR tacomas, so I started to believe it really was the tires. Recently I have been doing various things like putting it in S2 before I brake, and it doesnt seem to happen then. I now think it has something to do with the transmission hesitating going back into first gear and slipping i guess. I came from a manual transmission and have no idea what a slipping auto feels like, but it seems like the tranny wants to shift down and kind of gets caught between the two gears and eventually clunks into gear.

 

I just can't think of a scenario where the tires would cause that distinct vibration at a certain low speed like that and not on the acceleration. I've tried not braking and letting it coast to a stop and it does similar things. Do you have the tow package as well? I'll try out the "manual mode" and see what I get. I would agree that the feeling is that the transmission is hitching somewhere and then dropping into gear hard...but I admittidly don't know a whole lot about auto trannys either. Keep me in mind if you find anything or hear anything new from your dealer. If you remember the thread, shoot me a link so at least we can keep it updated when we find new things.

 

The reman parts from Toyota are not the same as the ones from NAPA. In my last truck, a 1991, I put a lot of reman factory parts in it, starter, alternator, clutch. They are better quality.

And one thing that strikes me is people are interchanging the word "used" for "remanfactured". I would not let them put a used transmission in, but reman means it's stripped, cleaned and failed or worn parts are replaced. It should be equal to (or maybe better if the core was lower miles) than a brand new part because whatever took it out initially has been changed.

 

There were these threads....like i said, no real solutions:

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/brake-feeling-not-smooth-trd-off-road.402954/page-2

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...5-25mph-vibration.402794/page-2#post-11512258

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/3rd-gen-transmission-fluid-level-check.410615/#post-11584558

 

It's somewhat disturbing that there are rebuilt transmissions for 2016 Tacomas already.