Disappointment in toyota

This - while stiff frames are great for loads, they have a higher chance of killing you with force transmission.

Strength is never everything. I'll give you an example from my world:

In rockclimbing, we use dynamic nylon ropes that are elastic and absorb force when someone falls on them. Static ropes that do not stretch are far stronger than dynamic ropes, but they're unusable because in a fall of more than a few feet, they generate enough of a shockloading force to break your spine. Imagine free falling 20 feet to the end of a chain, and then being suddenly jerked to a stop. Sound fun?

All vehicle manufacturers have to find a balance between vehicle safety and vehicle capability. Rather than this video, I'd like to see real world comparisons - put a Tundra and F150 through the same shit for 10 years and see what happens.

I will say, that from what I've seen of both, both the F150 and Tundra are very capable trucks.

 

That's been a standard safety feature on many cars for at least 18 years. My '91 Scoupe Hyundai was designed exactly like that, according to the salesman at the time.

 

If you want to get a Ford go for it! I've seen first hand what your gonna be in for though. I've given a good friend rides back and forth to the Ford garage multiple times over the last couple years for trouble with his truck (I believe it's a F250 around 3 years old). Luckily he was within the warranty period. He had issues with oil leaks to the extent that they had to completely seperate the cab from the chassis....not once but twice that I know of. We went over there one day to check on his truck and came in through a back door. We were shocked when we saw his truck hanging over the chassis by around 6 feet. The mechanic stated that they normally don't want the customer to see their trucks like this. He went on to say they are getting pretty good at doing it though, as they have to perform this type of dismemberment around 4 times a week! The Ford garage here is open 24 hours a day...I can see why!

 

I like that example. I agree, I've seen those videos before and they are promotional stunts. If you're worried about the Tundra's strength, buy a Tacoma! I've never heard anyone complain about the Tacoma's capability. In fact, people are shocked at how they hold up, even in crashes.

 

Toyota came here back in late 60s/early 70s when mpg/quality/longevity was the priority, not full size gas guzzling lesser quality annually replaced work vehicles. That would explain their slow to the table full size truck offerings.

 

I did see some that were supposed owners on youtube with their own videos.
If i recall claim is between 60-70 mph(guessing) on concrete highways it shakes the eyeballs out of the passengers.

 

I'm not taking any side in the debate, as I have had vehicles from both stables and both have served me well.

But... in the videos of the crash tests, the F-150 appears to be a 2001 model, vs the 2007 model of the Tundra. I might be wrong, but that's what it appears to be. There can be a lot of change over 6 model years.

 

Can be, but most times not. Especially with underlying structures that customers don't see.

BUT, I heard the F-150 is all new this year and even gets 20MPG. If it didn't cost more than the Tacoma (for similar options) I would have considered the Ford.

 

To be honest, I'm waiting for the newly designed Tundy in a couple years. They will address some of these issues and it will only get better. Flex is one thing I realize is important to some people, dependability/resale/engineering is more important to me that is why I drive a Toyota.

 

Well, it must be popular...alot of Fords are having it done now-days. Just the fact that the Ford garage here in town has to be open 24 hours a day has got to tell you something. In comparison, I go into the Toyota garage and they work one shift. Most the time when I go in to talk to a service manager they remind me of the Maytag repairmen...

Separating the body from the chassis on the Fords is a great way to gain access to the trouble, but there shouldn't be any trouble in the first place! My last Toyota went to around 350,000 miles and never saw the shop except for general maintenance.

 

FACT: 1997 F-150 150K miles 3 blown motors at about 50k a peice.

1997 T-100 4x4 manual 3.4 v6 240k miles. 1 clutch and one fuel injector. Still going strong.

 

dayuumm!!!

 

Not knocking Ford here. I'm not really a big fan of fully closed frames or cross memembers. I think Rust oportunities because of the closed space. Were the 1st gen tacos on the recall boxed or c-sections? I really don't know.
2nd, the rivets used on frames and aircraft are not pop-rivets. Pop-rivets use a pin that when drawn through the hollow center section distort the shank to prevent it from pulling through the hole. Pop-rivets have a hole in the center. Frame and aircraft rivets are "bucked" or peened in place with an impact. Some steel rivets are done hot so that when they cool, there is shrikage and more clamping force is applied. These conventional rivets apply much more clamping force to the joint than a pop-rivet. Not saying they are as good as welds, but they aint pop-rivets either. I'm sure Toyota and the other maufacturers could come up with some demonstrations that the others could not match. Does it matter in the real world under use?

 

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