2018 Diesel

Wut?

If you are trying to say that your F250/F350 gets the same combined mileage as your Tacoma stock then I call shenanigans:


But hey, whatever, it is the third gen forum so keep throwing random numbers out. From what I can see on fuelly though the average Ford Diesel gets 20% less mpg than a 3.5 L Tacoma.

 

In the meantime somewhere in real world....


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19 vs 26
So
7 MPG difference off 19 MPG thats a 36.9 % improvement...

As long we tossing fuely readings ...

 

I already quoted that the Colorado Diesel gets about 27 mpg... so yeah lol.

The guys here though who think a 3/4 or full ton Diesel will get better than 15 mpg average are nuts lol. At work we were lucky if we were able to average 12 mpg with the newer heavy Diesels.

Nissan dun der fudged up their new truck too. They get about 19-20 mpg but cost 10K more than a similar F150 here... no way that pays out and they aren't rated for nearly high enough towing to justify the cost difference.

On the Diesel front the latest trucks have been disappointing. Even that Colorado mpg isn't turning out so hot once you do the math. Sure, if you plan on running the truck to 300k and it makes it there in one piece you make your money off it. Those are two big if's though. Plus to get those mpgs you have to put up with a truck that regularly has a double digit 0-60 mph time IRL testing and doesn't even tow that great. Just watch any towing review where they stick it up against a half ton V8. No one prefers the Colorado unless they are silly enough to assume people pay MSRP on the half tons... which they don't.

 

Chicken tax kind of has that ring to it.

 

You need to drive one then run your own figures. This is Maine nothing is close I have to drive about 10 miles before I even see a stop light from there I can go to VT before I have to stop at another one. Granted with 30,000# behind it the figures take a nose dive but there is not much out there that has 4 wheels that will pull that kind of load. I agree for the cost of a diesel for most people it is a waste of money if you have a need that is another story big pickups that are used to pull huge weights are worth the difference, the comparison to a gas motor is night and day. I had a VW diesel it got 50 MPG I was driving a hundred miles a day I sold it with over 300K on it, it was worth every penny I spent for the diesel plus it was fun to drive I loved the torque it was right where you needed it the most. There is a fine line between want and need.

 

Yanmar is well known for their industrial and marine engines.

 

Are you @BlueT

 

I have a test drive booked in one at the end of the week.

 

We are on hydro. It is the lack of range and slow recharge time that kills it for me. Having a bunch of torque from 0 RPM would be killer though.

Diesel...I dunno, lots of diesels running around here...can't even have my windows down or the fresh air vent open...without being fumed out on my work commute. I can see why the EPA has cracked down on emissions on the oil burners.

And that is coming from a person who used to operate heavy equipment for a living.

What is wrong with hybrids? Heavy industry uses it a bunch.

 

I love my Tacoma, and the gas mileage I get in town certainly isn't great. On the highway, I pulled a 21mpg average on a 600 mile trip crossing over 4416' (Mount Hood) of elevation change both there and back. Around town... 15mpg. But still, I love how easy it is to drive the truck, sure I wish the seats were nicer, had some adjustments, even some leather, but my 6spd is great and the clutch is money.

I just priced (which isn't even available anywhere in the state over Oregon) a Diesel Colorado for fun, similar specs as my Tacoma, and it came out to $42,000. That's a full $10,200 more than I paid OTD for my truck. Now while I likely wouldn't be paying that OTD for the Chevy, I likely would be out at least a few thousand more for the Colorado which negates any real positives in going with it, even if I could source one anywhere near me.

Just for the heck of it, $31,800 OTD for my AC TRD Sport 6spd Inferno. The extra wiggle room allowed me to get my Tonneau, and will be getting some TRD wheels and some KO2's soon enough, maybe even a lift.

 

The yearly fuel cost between 20 and 30 mpg...isn't all that much either. Then consider some are getting 23-24 out of their gas Taco's...makes the diesel Chevy look and even less attractive mileage-wise.

 

Exactly.

 

The oil industry is doing a really good job of quietly making battery technology look like the dirtiest technology out there whether it comes in hybrid or battery plug in form.

Honestly, given the amount of Lithium these batteries in cars require and the recycling technology coming online the environmental cost is low. The cost is much higher for things like iPhones, in which there are thousands of pounds more Lithium in than cars right now, that don't get often recycled and I don't see anyone bitching about those batteries. It's goes to show you whose lobbying for what and the spin that people are eating up because they don't want to let go of the gasoline/diesel car.

Plus it looks like in the next 5-10 years we could see the next big breakthrough in battery technology that will likely free us from the need for Lithium in cars.

The USA is burning Coal for power. No surprise there. However that's a political problem. You can generate power so many other ways and it becomes somewhat a chicken and the egg argument. You need to start somewhere and bringing the cars feasibly to market is a good place to start.

There is nothing wrong with hybirds. Heck, even the replacement batteries are getting cheaper as more third party companies begin supplying batteries. Last year I helped replace the one in my father in laws car and the cost was under 1K. The original battery made it 8 years in his Prius and was just beginning to show signs of needing replacement.

 

That $10K in savings buys an awful lot of fuel.


Me being the bean counter I am...I would need a truck to get 40 mpg to make the jump from one that gets 20 mpg. That is only if the trucks cost exactly the same MSRP. It is possible with a Ram EcoDiesel the guys on Clean MPG have done it...however, that was mostly done on a cross country trip, in a 2WD truck driving it very conservatively. Normal driving it is closer to 30.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/community/index.php?threads/50475/

 

Plus with that truck you lose almost everything that makes a half ton worth owning. The Ram Ecodiesel is a CUV with a box when you look at towing and payload. Not really practical where I live but it's targeted well considering how most people use their trucks now.

 

I know people harp on the EPA and its regulations, but you have to remember, there is a reason. The excessive amounts of NO2' that comes off of a "dirty" diesel engine does serious harm to the environment. Not only that but it makes people sick.

Having come from a TDI Touareg (that was part of dieselgate), trust me I loved the power from a diesel power plant, and its the most efficient way to move a large vehicle. But if anything VW showed us in the end it's not feasible to drop a diesel in every car, give you the power and efficiency, and make it clean. Hence VW is dropping diesel and leaning more toward hybrid tech.

Not only that but that scandal also brought to light that even in Europe, most of the diesel cars were still dirty.

So while we love the power and efficiency, in the end its not cost effective to keep putting diesel cars on the road.

I know VW was working on a diesel hybrid, that might have some promise because the electric side of things will help offset the efficiency and power loss from the clean diesel side. But with VW's damage to its brand who knows if that will come to pass.

So in a nut shell, all it all boils down to two words:

WARP DRIVE!!

 

Those Priuses are turning out to be very reliable...some with over 200K miles on them. Believe the only downfall is the stigma that surrounds them. Though... I am at the age...I don't give a shit what people think about me. Getting 50 mpg would be fricken sweet yanking the dirt bike to the trail head.





A little hybrid truck would be even better. Kinda disappointed Toyota didn't follow through with the A-Bat.



as long as I can get 2 bikes in the bed I am good.

 

Santa Cruz or Ram 700 hybrid?



There is a good chance we see one of those around here in the next 5 years.