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Series or Parallel for tweets/ door speakers

Discussion in 'Audio & Video' started by 12TRDTacoma, May 5, 2016.

  1. May 5, 2016 at 10:09 PM
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    I'm knocking around the stock sub for now. It thumps well even considering that it is not aftermarket. If I fry it, oh well I'll just replace it, but for now it will suffice.

    Also, you are right around my dad's age. If you lived by me I would tell you that you deserve yourself a nice cold beer. :)
     
  2. May 5, 2016 at 10:12 PM
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    Oh wait... didn't realize you had the factory sub... cough cough...
     
  3. May 5, 2016 at 10:14 PM
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    I'm sure you Dads a cool guy, however, I bet he hasn't modded his factory stereo. And, I prefer bourbon.
     
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    Haha. Yep. It helps, and the amp drives it, so I'll be okay. It's not an over amount of power that it is capable of handling but it suffices for good filler.
     
  5. May 5, 2016 at 10:16 PM
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    The eq and crossovers on the headunit would be nice to look at. I couldn't find it on their site.

    This ^^^ Perhaps I may have misunderstood your overall setup @12TRDTacoma. Maybe a rough wiring schematic of how you have things currently wired will paint a cleaner picture.
     
  6. May 5, 2016 at 10:16 PM
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    Yeah, try unhooking your rear door speakers. And tune to your liking.
     
  7. May 5, 2016 at 10:16 PM
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    He's gotten into tons of trouble with cars in his younger days. He likes to try to keep them stock now. I can't say I blame him. He gets tired of working on cars all day as that's what he does for a living. Bourbon you say? That's too expensive. Hahaha.
     
  8. May 5, 2016 at 10:21 PM
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    No one can tell what's sounds best to you. Plus, what type of music do you like? Are you looking blow your windows out, or recreate natural sound?
     
  10. May 5, 2016 at 10:28 PM
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    Wiring setup guys:

    Front channels all wired in parallel to front channels, total of 6 speakers, 2 channels.

    LF: 1 coaxial door speaker wired in parallel to a crossover which powers 1 tweeter.
    RF: 1 coaxial door speaker wired in parallel to a crossover which powers 1 tweeter.
    LR: 1 woofer wired in parallel to LF speaker at the amplifier
    RR: 1 woofer wired in parallel to RF speaker at the amplifier
    Sub: DVC stock subwoofer wired in parallel. Total of 4 connections 2 powers, 2 grounds. 1 channel handles each channel of the voice coils independently. Total of 2 channels.

    4 channel amplifier.
     
  11. May 5, 2016 at 10:32 PM
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    Well, not necessarily blow my windows out. I am just looking for the ability for my speakers to be able to play highs and voice clearly through almost all volumes without distorting or sounding muddy. I understand speakers or the amp itself has it's power limitstions. Like I said. I stand in MUCH better shape than I did with the stock JBL amp. You have no idea how much the OE amp made the music I currently play clip. All kinds of clipping all day long!

    I listen to a lot of rock, metal, and progressive. For what it is worth. So a quality guitar sound is key here. Plus a clear frontman voice.
     
  12. May 5, 2016 at 10:59 PM
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    Agreed on this. However, it doesn't hurt to get a baseline and have the user adjust to taste.

    The specs on this headunit states it has a crossover network with HPF/LPF. Would like to see that if you have it. For starters select Flat to even out the eq. 200 Hz to 2 kHz on that spectrum looks to be your vocal range adjustment. 80 and 125 Hz on that spectrum should affect your mid-bass and 50 Hz should affect your sub stage. 3.15 kHz and up would be what your tweeters would be trying to reproduce.

    Depending on your volume offset (or whatever pioneer calls it) I would cut 8 kHz and 12.5 kHz and 80 Hz and 125 Hz first to see how much your vocals "rise" and go from there. This is just a baseline I would start with and again without an RTA it's really going to be trial and error on your part.

    It's hard to get used to cutting frequencies versus boosting to get the sound you like but in the long run it keeps the high volume levels under control and cleaner.
     
  13. May 5, 2016 at 11:02 PM
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    I agree with the baseline and adjust as needed IF needed part. I actually was going to say that earlier myself.

    As far as cutting the frequencies. How much should I cut them down to? -1 -2 etc..?

    Could you possibly MS paint or somehow show me your ideal EQ scheme so I can basically match it and see how it sounds from there?
     
  14. May 5, 2016 at 11:12 PM
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    You're to worried about what someone else thinks. For me, your settings are WAY OFF. But, I did hear that what you called music. So, again, I have no idea? I'll go out and snap a pic of mine. Keep in mind I listen to talent, not racket. Classic rock, blues, jazz and old school Country (no Florida/Georgia line bullshit please.
     
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    Classic Rock is awesome. Thi was just the quickest thing I could access at the time. I listen to it all.

    Thing is. I have no idea when it comes to frequencies and fine tuning the speakers that's why I need proper input on what a good baseline is by someone who actually knows their audio and better tuning correctly.
     
  16. May 5, 2016 at 11:28 PM
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    Again, I agree with you on peoples tastes being different. But any baseline is better than none. When I first started playing with eq no one was willing to help me citing "personal preference". I personally use a reverse boost method when tuning my eq's. His settings are way off according to your taste and according to my taste I wouldn't be boosting 50 Hz that much...but the least we can do is help him get to a more traditional baseline.

    My paint skills are horrible...my sketchup is better. Either way this is how I would start your baseline and cut the vocal frequencies from there. 8 kHz and 12.5 kHz will affect that "tick tick tick" or hi-hat type sound "chi chi chiiiii" or however it sounds. 3.15 kHz and 5 kHz will affect some vocals but that can go either way. 125 Hz can go either way so it's better to start it lower.

    I personally cut everything and raise it as close to 0 as possible to get the sound I like. I also do this at close to full listening volume so I have to find an open field somewhere to do this. I also personally try not to go above 0 if I can help it. The below picture just tries to isolate most of the vocal frequencies you can adjust.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I also wanted to add...iPhone and Android have RTA type apps. I don't know the accuracy of them as I have never used them but you can probably use that to get an idea of what frequencies are too bright in your vehicle.
     
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    This is fantastic info right here.

    Out of curiousity. What is the RTA and how does it help? I have never heard of it before, but I downloaded an app already which actively listens. It looks good, but without understanding it, I have no idea what I am looking at.
     
  19. May 5, 2016 at 11:49 PM
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    Yes, I agree 100%. But to me (he was asking) yours are off even more. See, that's why this question CANT be answered by someone else.
     
  20. May 5, 2016 at 11:52 PM
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    @t4daddy I wasn't trying to get him into the perfect alignment. I was trying to get him to hear the vocal frequency spectrum more easily so he can adjust to taste. His higher end and lower end will be adjusted to his liking but the frequency range I showed will affect vocals the most noticeably.

    This video is an easy enough to follow video on using an RTA.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rs2ZghGXEc
     

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