What you need to know about lifting a 2016 Tacoma - Presented by Toytec Lifts

steezemcqueen · Jun 14, 2016

0uTkAsT said: ↑

Um, yeah, it's significantly worse. Do you even own a 3rd Gen to know what you're talking about? Because 2nd Gens and 3rd Gens are different as far as that's concerned.
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I've installed about 8 sets of UCA's on 3rd gens......so no. I have no idea what i'm talking about.

moe2o4 · Jun 14, 2016

steezemcqueen said: ↑

I've installed about 8 sets of UCA's on 3rd gens......so no. I have no idea what i'm talking about.
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JerryTaco · Jun 14, 2016

I've installed a bunch of these on 3rd gens as well. That said, I'm sure you could bend the living shit out of the passenger side to remove the bolt.. But why bother? Cut the head of the bolt off and move on. To me, it just seems like a massive waste of time and a ton of mangled metal just to remove and reinstall one bolt.

Lord Humongous · Jun 14, 2016

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What's the torque on that bolt?
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85ft lbs of believe

moe2o4 · Jun 14, 2016

JerryTaco said: ↑

I've installed a bunch of these on 3rd gets as well. That said, I'm sure you could bend the living situation out of the passenger side to remove the bolt.. But why bother? Cut the head of the bolt off and move on. To me, it just seems like a massive waste of time and a ton of mangled metal just to remove and reinstall one bolt.
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moe2o4 · Jun 14, 2016

Lord Humongous said: ↑

85ft lbs of believe
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Thanks, I'd assume its probably the same as the 2nd gens, so I could just use the torque sheet from the 2nd gen thread!

Lord Humongous · Jun 14, 2016

moe2o4 said: ↑

Thanks, I'd assume its probably the same as the 2nd gens, so I could just use the torque sheet from the 2nd gen thread!
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That's what I did. I'll definitely be checking them every week for a little while though.

Gramps · Jun 14, 2016

steezemcqueen said: ↑

I've installed about 8 sets of UCA's on 3rd gens......so no. I have no idea what i'm talking about.
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Apparently you are a sheet metal whisperer and these other guys are weak.

Tacoma2GR · Jun 14, 2016

What are you guys cutting the bolt with?

JerryTaco · Jun 14, 2016

Teeko said: ↑

What are you guys cutting the bolt with?
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Just a 4 inch heavy metal Sawzall blade.

Lord Humongous · Jun 14, 2016

Teeko said: ↑

What are you guys cutting the bolt with?
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This blade on milwaukee sawzall. Like butta! Any reciprocating saw will work.

SothernTaco · Jun 15, 2016

Ok y'all, take it easy on me as I'm new to Taco' and 4x4. I've read this thread and done some homework, however I just want some reassurance from the guys/gals here that are more veteran at this then me. So what I want is about a 2" lift all the way around. I want to retain a rake and I was going to do the 5100' up front set at 1.75" and the Toytec AAL out back. Am I doing it right and will it provide a little more ground clearance? Thanks.

JerryTaco · Jun 15, 2016

SothernTaco said: ↑

Ok y'all, take it easy on me as I'm new to Taco' and 4x4. I've read this thread and done some homework, however I just want some reassurance from the guys/gals here that are more veteran at this then me. So what I want is about a 2" lift all the way around. I want to retain a rake and I was going to do the 5100' up front set at 1.75" and the Toytec AAL out back. Am I doing it right and will it provide a little more ground clearance? Thanks.
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For the most part, yes. BUT, you will be adding a lot of pre load to your factory coils, leading to a potentially harsh ride and limited down travel. If you can swing it, a new longer set of coils up front would be a better option.

SothernTaco · Jun 15, 2016

Thanks y'all. Just the kind of information I was hoping to get. I do plan to run a 265/75-16 Cooper AT/3. Any suggestions on a good coil?

SothernTaco · Jun 15, 2016

Sounds good. What is the spacer for, and why only on the Driver side? Are you telling me I'm fat? lol

JerryTaco · Jun 15, 2016

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Sounds good. What is the spacer for, and why only on the Driver side? Are you telling me I'm fat? lol
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Tacoma's are known to have a slight lean to the driver side. Been going on since the 2nd gens first came out. The top plate spacer is added to correct that lean and level the truck out side to side.

SothernTaco · Jun 15, 2016

Learn something new everyday. Thanks for all the info y'all. I've got my list together and hopefully will be getting these items in the next month.

odinsbro15 · Jun 15, 2016

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Hello all,

We wanted to post up some information about the 3rd gen suspension and what we have seen that works and does not work for the testing we have done thus far. After our truck gets back from the SEMA show, it will undergo some more testing and i will continue to update this thread with more information as it becomes available.

So lets get to it.

To answer some of the recent questions about spring rate,

We did send the springs from our 2016 out to one of our spring manufacturers to be tested for spring rate. We are doing this in hopes of developing a spring that will work well on the factory shocks and give a 2 inch lift. Similar to the 112-620 coils or the 521-600's we have. For those interested, i have posted the spec sheet. Spring rate on the factory coil did indeed come back at 717lbs/inch. Spec sheet is attached to this post

What you do need to keep in mind is that spring rate is not the only piece of the puzzle to look at. Spring length, amount of preload placed on the spring, and the valving of the shock will have a equally important role in ride, performance and lift height. While our Boss kit does have a 600lb/inch spring rate, the spring length and preload are not going to be the same as factory and the valving of the shock is much different so therefore comparing just the spring rates is not going to give you the whole picture

Springs are really just meant to hold the vehicle at ride height. The valving of the shock will have a bigger difference on how the truck rides than a small difference in spring rate will. For example, Toyota wanted the truck to be a smoother ride over bumps and such. So they typically run a higher spring rate and less compression damping so when the truck is driving down the road, those small little bumps will feel softer. Since the small bumps are not causing the suspension to travel a whole lot, the effect on the ride from the spring rate increase is negligible

With most aftermarket suspension, we do the opposite. We drop the spring rate and raise the compression and rebound valving of the shock. This helps with overall travel at slow speeds so the suspension has the ability to compress more if you are offroad. The increased valving will allow for better resistance to hard hits like hitting whoops. The downside is that the suspension will feel a little firmer over the smaller stuff like cracks in the road. However the pro's of increased damping and travel far outweigh the con of the suspension feeling firmer for most of what we do.

Another important piece is that preload only affects ride height and not spring rate or stiffness. That is provided the shock can extend the same amount that you are adding in preload. With that being said, The current Bilstein 5100 valving and adjustments are for the factory springs from a 05-15 Tacoma which are listed as a 500lb/inch rate in some OME spring guides So you are installing a 717lb spring on a shock meant for 500lb coil. This means that the preload adjustments will be very different on the 717lb 3rd gen coil compared to the 500lb 2nd gen coil. Now we do offer a 620lb coil for the 5100's but preloading it anymore than the 2nd clip causes issues.

For a visual comparison, Here is a 07 Tacoma coil, a 16 Tacoma coil, and a OME 885

Front Suspension:

When we get a vehicle in the shop, the very first thing we do is take a baseline ride height measurement so we know where the factory suspension sits and do calculations based on that to determine what ride height changes are for various setups we are testing.

The most accurate way to check the ride height is to measure from the center of the wheel straight up to the fender opening lip. This method removes the variable of tire size and pressure and only gives you the amount of suspension and/or body lift.

The 05-15 Tacoma on average, measures 20 inches in the front and 21.5 inches in the rear. The 16 Tacoma measures 21 inches in the front and 22 inches in the rear.

So being that the control arm/shock/spindle configuration is nearly identical to the 05-15, this means that the front of the 3rd gen actually sits 1 inch higher in the shock travel range. We were able to confirm this by doing a hub-to-fender measurement at full droop (24.5 inches for both the 2nd gen and the 3rd gen) and doing a measurement while sitting on the ground (20 inches for the 2nd gen, 21 inches for the 3rd gen), we can see that the 2nd gen factory suspension compressed 4.5 inches to get to ride height and the 3rd gen compressed 3.5 inches to get to ride height. Full droop stayed the same. The 3rd gens just did not compress as much.

So i bet you are asking what that means for lifting and why would i even care?

Well since the suspension is now 1 inch higher is the travel range, its actually 1 inch "lift" from the factory. The limit of the suspension is still the same 3 inches of lift so this means that over a factory 2016, you can only do a true 2 inch over how it comes from the factory. Technically you could adjust some coilovers to the full 3 inches of lift over factory but then you would end up with hardly any down travel left in the coilover and you are going to be hitting full extension on the shock all the time.

As of right now, we have tested a couple different versions of our BOSS suspension and our Bilstein coilover setup. The mounting is all they same so they bolt right up. Mainly is the lift heights that are slightly different.

Our TTHA-CK Bilstein coilover setup that is not adjustable gave a 22.5 inch hub to fender measurement. So compared to factory ride height, its only 1.5 inches higher. But it actuality, its really a 2.5 inch lift when compared to a 2nd gen.

UCA's and other stuff:

We have installed the Total Chaos UCA's on our SEMA truck and had a dealer of ours install the Light Racing UCA's. The only thing to note is that on the driver side of our truck, we had to slightly bend the hard brake line so the grease zerk on the TC's would not interfere with the brake line. I'm thinking that may have just been a manufacturing variance but still something to look out for if you are install UCA's on your 2016.

Diff drop has been installed and works just like the 2nd gens do.

Sway bar looks to be the same. The 16 uses the same sway bar relocates as the 05-15.

Rear suspension:

From the testing we have done, the rear is just about identical to the 2nd gen Tacoma. The ride height being 1/2 inch higher is a negligible difference. Our standard AAL still gives the same 2 inches of lift and the block kits are no different. No testing has been done with aftermarket leafs at this point but hopefully we will change that once SEMA is done.

If anyone has any questions. Feel free to post, PM or call us.

***Warning***
We are seeing posts in this thread recommending products for sale that are not listed by Manufacturers (Bilstien and Old Man Emu specifically) for the 2016 Tacoma.
Beware that using these incompatible parts will void your warranty from the manufacturers, in our testing OME coils did not provide the lift they do on models before 2016, these parts are not recommended for use by ARB/OME.

The factory coils on the 2016 Tacoma have a higher spring rate than any of the Old Man Emu coils (884, 885, and 886 specifically) listed for sale by some vendors here, therefore they will not give lift stated and will quickly sag and loose lift due to the lower spring rate.

We recommend calling manufacturers if they do not list a specific part for the 2016 and newer Tacoma, do Not assume any parts will work, as stated they are not the same suspension!

Thanks!
Dylan
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what are your thoughts on a 2" spacer lift kit? is that going to be too much since the CA's are already up 1 inch. im looking at gettting a 2inch spacer level kit from big johns in santa clarita Ca and i dont want to hurt the truck.

SothernTaco · Jun 15, 2016

Alright y'all. Im actually going to order this stuff in the next day or so to do my 2" lift all the way around. Just want to ensure I'm getting the right stuff and figure out what else I may need. Thanks.

Coils - http://www.headstrongoffroad.com/st...-__Various_Lift_Heights_Available_(PAIR).html

AAL - http://toyteclifts.3dcartstores.com/TAC-AL--ToyTec-Rear-add-a-leafs_p_16.html

5100 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/BILSTEIN-24...ash=item236abbbd3d:g:BeQAAOSwGvhUD6xS&vxp=mtr

What else will I need? Also, since I'm doing the coils, do I need to set the 5100 to the .85" setting or do I go with the 1.75" setting?

harley100 · Jun 15, 2016

Installed new rims and tires to go with new lift, Cooper ST Maxx 255/85r16.

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