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Anything welding

Discussion in 'Garage / Workshop' started by EL TACOROJO, Sep 17, 2010.

  1. Jul 17, 2016 at 9:37 PM
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    Ariyan

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    Probably a dumb question but can someone please explain to me why they put a bumper mount on top of the body like this instead of a couple inches down so its on the same bolt but on the frame?

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  2. Jul 18, 2016 at 1:26 AM
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    Because it is cheaper and faster when building the bumper . Pretty many bumpers tie into that very same bolt

    Then most people would not want to be jacking the cab up to install a bracket

    If your not happy just redesign your mounting brackets and build them.
     
  3. Jul 18, 2016 at 11:31 AM
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    Its not my bumper, I was just curious because I was going to add another mounting spot on mine and was getting ideas when I ran across that and was curious.
     
  4. Jul 18, 2016 at 11:35 AM
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    Whitecloud

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    That is the same bolt that I have used on all the ones that I have done.
     
  5. Jul 18, 2016 at 9:10 PM
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    On top of the body like that?
     
  6. Jul 19, 2016 at 1:16 AM
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    Yes on Top like that.

    Would you want to loosen all the cab mounts to raise things up without bending the mounts to install a bracket on each side .

    Now if your the type things need to be perfect a shim the same thickness as the bracket needs to be installed on all the cab mounts.

    To some the 3/16" or 1/4" difference would be huge.

    Paying the Labor to have this installed another 2 hours to the job plus broken hardware
     
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  7. Jul 19, 2016 at 6:38 AM
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    Yep. Take out that long body mount bolt, and slide the mount between the body and the radiator core support section of the frame, and your good. Let me find a pic of mine, or i'll get one up later today.

    Okay so I just looked through all my pictures and i don't have a good one showing the mount. So I'll get one up a little later today.
     
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  8. Jul 20, 2016 at 5:33 PM
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    Ok a guy said my vertical downs would not last and had cold lap. What say. I know the top part on the brace is ugly. Head and arms were having convulsions

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  9. Jul 21, 2016 at 12:28 AM
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    That is the thing people always hear vertical down welds are evil and should never be used!!

    Quite correct in most all applications but in your case I have been using vertical down on these Truck frames for years .

    Cold lap hard to tell from the pictures !!

    Slider brackets ?? I would not even worry unless your planning to be dropping the truck on them several times a day or you weigh 600 pounds like me.
     
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  10. Jul 21, 2016 at 6:25 AM
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    Yes sliders, I'm not worried about my welds never had one fail
     
  11. Jul 25, 2016 at 4:53 PM
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    Looking to get into welding!!:muscleflexing:

    Any one have a suggestion for a welder that is easy to use and doesnt break the bank, i am interested in making sliders, bumpers and other stuff for around the house. Going to have to practice like no other but i am excited!

    Ive done some reading about welders and was looking into a stick welder but some people say otherwise, any info on what you guys like to use?
     
  12. Jul 25, 2016 at 5:06 PM
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    Don't get a stick welder. Stick is for more structural welding. For the items you want to make get a MIG welder. Its much cleaner and easier to pick up. You should be fine with any of the red, white or blue brands. Even some of the other brands are good to start with if price is a concern.
     
  13. Jul 25, 2016 at 5:15 PM
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    We have athe eastwood 250 mig. Its got like a 60% dury cycle at 250 amps or something like that. Get a little bigger than the biggest thing u think u will weld. Ive only ran about 12 lbw of wire thru mine in about 1.5 years buts its been pretty good. Everything from sheet metal on an old pickup to some pretty heavy farm equiptment and trailers. It was like $900 but you could get like a 175 amp for half that or so. Also u need go know if u have a 220 plug wired go ur work area. Eastwood sent us an adaptor for 220 to 110 and the machine automatically switches over when its pluged in. But there really isn't any need of gettin one too big of u only have 110 plugs and dont plan on pullin some new wire.
     
  14. Jul 25, 2016 at 9:35 PM
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    Thank you guys for the info! Good to hear, going to look into a mug now! Stoked!!!
     
  15. Jul 25, 2016 at 11:31 PM
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    any word on the Lincoln 180 hd mig welder?? this will be a starter for me but i want to get into it
     
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    Take some classes learn to weld get some experience in the different processes .

    My first choice would be a stick welder although one with DC output rather then just AC

    They are just so much more versatile if one is limited in budget it is those that can`t use that process that steer people away.

    Looking at new the Hobart line is not bad for those starting out

    Buying used can be rough if you have no clue just how a given machine works .
     
  17. Jul 26, 2016 at 6:25 AM
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    Just to be clear - I weld using SMAW process. I suggested appropriate process for the items he wants to make.


    If your in Orange County, OCC has a really good welding program.
     
  19. Jul 26, 2016 at 3:00 PM
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    Then you only use SMAW for structural your really limiting yourself

    If I only could have one welder it would be my choice weld Stainless , Aluminum , Cast Iron , sheet metal and carbon steel

    In fact it is still my go to machine for those little jobs

    I still have 10 pounds of the 4043 1/8 electrodes
     
  20. Jul 26, 2016 at 3:37 PM
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    Common sense would suggest that you can use SMAW for non structural applications.

    Again, my suggestions were based on the items he wanted to make- sliders, bumpers, home repairs
    I and most, if not every mfg uses mig welding when deemed appropriate over SMAW.
     

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