Sales January through July 2016 of midsize pickup trucks....

Isn't Toyota at capacity? If they could produce another 20-30k trucks per month and drop the price 2-3k, it would be game over for the other mid size trucks. Instead they sell everything they make, quite quickly, at a price premium. Price and availability is a huge driver.

 

This is easily the stupidest comment ever posted on this forum.
You pulled out one month that had slightly slower sales and ignored the previous months that had higher sales. Overall sales Jan thru July are ahead of 2015, and in fact are track to be record all time sales for the Tacoma. If you want to carve out a single metric to support your sales superiority claim, the obvious winner is the Ridgeline with a 1077% sales improvement. Which only underlines the old adage that there are three kinds of lies: 1. Lies 2. Damn lies and 3. Statistics

Therefore, you either A. don't understand basic third grade math B. Are a troll or C. Both

 

I don't trust any of them to really be accommodating about warranty work and I'm a little disappointed in how Toyota handles theirs. OTOH the frame and leaf spring replacement program, neglecting for the moment whether it's actually true or not that Tacomas rust any faster or not than anything else, is something I don't see GM or Ford doing ever. There zero chance NHTSA would force them to either. If something like that did happen it would be very hush-hush.

 

They are not bad, I never said they were. If you needed a hwy 2wd dd truck, you'd be hard pressed to go wrong, but it's far from an equal to Taco as far as over the long haul maintenance expense, you get what you pay for, and it's no match to the Taco in off-road capability and durability.

Cheers!

 

Yeah, well you can bet there are plenty of Colorado and Canyon owners saying the same thing about theirs too. I don't think there's any safe heavens left now a days, just better choices.

Hope all your troubles come to a happy ending soon.
Cheers!

 

That's how I feel too. I've owned Pontiac, Lexus, GMC, Mazda, Chevrolet, Toyota... they ALL have problems. Some have a little more of a "lemon" scent and see the dealership more often, but none are perfect. The only thing that truly makes a difference (to me) is having a good service department that will take care of you. Which is the exact reason I want back in another Lexus or Toyota... excellent local dealerships. My Lexus was the most reliable mechanically, but had rattles in the dash and both doors that would drive you crazy. The dealership put up with me and tried to fix every last one... My last Chevrolet dealership experience was the worst I've had in my entire life. So bad I want to get rid of my Chevy before the next oil change!

 

Oh course, dealers dumping inventory before the new model comes out. Fleet customers buying the crap out of regular cabs that were sitting around for a while because of the news that the 3rd gen isn't available in single cab. Toyota I'm sure had some type of small incentive, ect. Not to mention a lot of people wait to buy the new model the first year. before the new f150 came out lots of people were grabbing up the 14's. Some wanted the "steel" body. Others got great deals. Some wanted to wait a year or two before they went with the new ones. So many factors that go into those numbers

 

Lol the ranger wasn't even officially announced for a comeback and the rumors didn't even really start swirling until the 3rds gen was already drafted and prepping to be built. The Tacoma was long due for a redesign. if anything Toyota rushed because the twins came back to the market, not because of ranger rumors

 

Lol midsize has exploded just as much. Actually it's worse. You can get an amazing deal on a new Silverado right now. Almost everyone and their cousin quality for The GM discount. Play your cards right and you can get a decently loaded f150 for close to what you'd pay for a Tacoma Limited. Can get a decently loaded Silverado cheaper than what you'd Pay for a Or or Sport. Ram has some good deals going on. Wouldn't surprise me if they start blowing out tundras soon

 

The 2015 Model Year did not have a Single Cab Either.

 

No but there was still a bunch on dealer lots

 

From 2014?

 

Yea. That's not that uncommon. Depends on location. A ford dealer in Texas still has 2013 and 2014 f150's brand new for sale. Granted the are all customized so it's extremely hard to find a buyer

 

I just looked at our page. We currently still have 2) 2014 jeeps in stock. 1 is a compass and the others is a patriot

 

Auto Nation still has 2) 2013 vehicles new for sale. One is a Dodge Ram the other is a Chrysler 200

 

The UAW has been lobbying to get Rangers built in Wayne, MI, for 18 months so you know industry insiders will have heard about this rumor for at least two years. Toyota has historically bumped generations of mini trucks no longer than every 9 years and typically more like 6 to 8, so to let Tacoma go 10 on the 2nd generation is atypical. But it just seems they weren't ready to put generation 3 in prime time in 2016.

I find it somewhat ironic that Ford and the UAW are scrambling to figure out a place to build Rangers domestically. It's built already in several places around the world and they need to put it into production in North America to avoid the 25% tariff on imported trucks that was originally put in place to keep Toyota from eroding the Big 3 cornerstone of trucks. Toyota built NUMMI and eventually San Antonio to become a domestic truck manufacturer.

 

It doesn't matter what the UAW wants. It's up to Ford to decide what they wanted to do. They said several times, no it's not coming there is no market. However the market has changed and they took notice. The UAW just wants contracts to secure their future. That's all. In the end it wouldn't matter to them if all they could get was a fiesta contract. alot of things go into building a vehicle. A big thing is cost. Your not going to want to have a frame made in Mexico, motor made in Detroit, metal stamping in buffalo, and final assembly in Kentucky. That wouldn't make financial sense. Now sure not everything is going to be all in the same location but they will do whatever they can to keep all costs as low as possible and still hit a certain profit margin.

As for nummi that was originally a GM and Toyota joint operation. GM really was the one who helped Toyota get on their feet here in the US. And now they are probably kicking themselves in the ass because of it.

 

NUMMI wasn't GM being kind to Toyota, they built Novas, Prism, Vibes for GM so that they could learn how the Japanese implemented Kaizen manufacturing. GM and Toyota had a similar arrangement at the time in Melbourne called UAAI with a joint factory producing cars for both companies. GM needed Toyota's manufacturing efficiency and Toyota needed political footholds. You could also say Toyota is kicking themselves teaching GM how not to make junk inefficiently.

 

We'll get better deals if Tacoma's market share goes down so I'm all for it.

 

Now GM makes junk efficiently?