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Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by McFly'sRide, Sep 18, 2016.

  1. Sep 18, 2016 at 6:50 PM
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    Yeah. Because billions in fines and buybacks worked so well for them.
     
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  2. Sep 18, 2016 at 6:51 PM
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    No need to cheat... They have designs and engines they can role out but they choose to release shit. Can sell as much gas if you make them go further.
     
  3. Sep 18, 2016 at 6:51 PM
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    And risk millions possibly billions?
     
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  4. Sep 18, 2016 at 6:55 PM
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    That would be sweet
     
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  5. Sep 18, 2016 at 6:55 PM
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    Wait a minute, people. I am talking about our engine And so is the wiki page. It's an Atkinson engine. And I think it's great (in no way was trolling or slamming it - just slamming people who buy the truck with this particular engine and complain about lack of power).

    Here's the wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkinson_cycle#Vehicles_using_Atkinson-cycle_engines

    It says very clearly under "vehicles that use the modern atkinson engine" 2016 and on V6 Tacomas.
     
  6. Sep 18, 2016 at 6:57 PM
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    Our engine doesn't use Atkinson the way the article describes. It used VVT to create the same effect as Atkinson when cruising and light load

    Article refers to Atkinson at all times.

    Anyone can write or add to a Wikipedia article
     
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  7. Sep 18, 2016 at 6:59 PM
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    I was kidding lol
     
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  8. Sep 18, 2016 at 6:59 PM
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    of course? Why not? lol

    I'm kidding.
    Would be entertaining news though :)
     
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  9. Sep 18, 2016 at 7:00 PM
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    I think the 3.5 is a super engine.
     
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  10. Sep 18, 2016 at 7:02 PM
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    100% correct
     
  11. Sep 18, 2016 at 7:03 PM
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    But hey to be fair what VW did wasn't actually have the car pollute more than what is legal.
    Just had the engine lie and say it was being an eco engine when it wasn't which meant less taxes on it.

    The 2.0CR diesel engine that is the problem with this whole thing isn't actually polluting all that bad. Its just not as clean as they said.
    It doesn't pollute any more than any Cummins, Powerstroke or Duramax does.
    Its basically just polluting as much as the 1.9PD that was in the 05/06 did.
    Its just all these green assholes in California are a bunch of cry babies

    Note I do have a 1.9L that has never once passed an E test since I owned it lol. I pour black smoke when i have more than 70% throttle as thats when the more aggressive tune kicks in. So the CR does not pollute as bad as mine.
     
  12. Sep 18, 2016 at 7:03 PM
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    Well, here's another article that thinks it's the atkinson as opposed to the otto:

    http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2015/01/how-it-works-2016-toyota-tacomas-atkinson-cycle.html

    "We know the 2016 Tacoma will have Toyota's D-4S technology, which features direct and port fuel injection. This system is currently used on the Scion FR-S and Subaru BR-Z. It "combines injectors that inject fuel at high pressure directly into the cylinders, together with conventional injectors, injecting fuel into the intake ports," according to Toyota. The two systems turn on and off depending on engine speed.

    The system also injects fuel during startup and at certain load points to improve combustion stability without using a restrictive intake port design that increases tumble flow.

    What Does This Mean for Truck Buyers?
    The Atkinson cycle is more efficient than the Otto cycle, so the 2016 Tacoma's new engine will offer better fuel economy than other conventional V-6 engines without having to resort to turbochargers or diesel fuel.

    While the Atkinson cycle does a great job of maximizing fuel economy in the Prius, it remains to be seen how the cycle will work in a pickup truck with very different duty cycles. Highway and empty-bed fuel economy will be improved, but we really don't know how towing or payload hauling will be impacted. We assume Toyota has this figured out and that's why it has taken so long to bring the Atkinson cycle to other vehicles (the Prius first went on sale in 1997).

    In the end, the new 3.5-liter Atkinson-cycle V-6-powered Tacoma with a new six-speed automatic transmission and new rear differential is likely to have best-in-class fuel economy. How well it can handle pickup truck duty remains to be answered."
     
  13. Sep 18, 2016 at 7:06 PM
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    The feature you mentioned is an added layer of safety, and it can protect the drivetrain to boot. However, unintended acceleration has caused the oems to be very redundant in their drive by wire checks, and that can bring some lag.
     
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    https://youtu.be/Il5TUwxQyNc

    This is an Atkinson motor
     
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    Jesus, yes it has an Atkinsons cycle
    But NO it is not like what you are thinking from Wiki.
    The atkinson you are thinking of on Wiki is like in the Prius. It is all the time. It does not 'turn off'
    The atkinson used in the tacoma is very similar in operation as the cylinder deactivation in most GM and chryslers now.

    All it basically does is that when you are sitting in traffic, cruising at highway speeds, or not hauling anything and requiring added power it runs the Atkinson cycle to improve fuel efficiency. Hit ECT and it won't even go into atkinson. Its not a full time Atkinson its a part time atkinson.
     
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    The 3.5 is a Otto motor. However they can retard the timing to allow a "Atkinson" cycle, that helps with fuel economy. If you watch my first video you'll see how it works. I'll also post a video of explanation from the head engineer "seatbelt" Mike Sweers
     
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    I am pretty pleased with the performance so far. I seem to get the best of two worlds with this motor.
     
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    https://youtu.be/gbtaXEf3T8s

    Part 2
    https://youtu.be/bd4Xj5nhjpQ
     
  19. Sep 18, 2016 at 7:18 PM
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    You guys are both right. A cycle can be correctly called an Atkinson cycle if the compression stroke is shorter that the combustion stroke. It's a simple implementation. Just retard the intake lobe camshaft enough, and wait a little bit before opening the exhaust valve, then you have an Atkinson cycle. My 2010 Honda Civic does this. It is nothing new.
     
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  20. Sep 18, 2016 at 7:45 PM
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    Okay, I'll be the first to admit that I don't know exactly what I'm talking about. However, my original point was only that one shouldn't buy this truck for "power". Atkinson or part time Atkinson this engine was built for efficiency.

    So power complaining is futile. Buy a raptor ;)
     

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