I'd consider trading my 3rd gen for....

The problem with that is then you aren't comparing apples to apples. Should we add in Fords SUV sales since those cross over into trucks as well? Full sized to full sized, GM does not outsell Ford.

 

A) That isn't a contradiction. Not sure why it is hard for you to understand the difference between a model and a brand. 1 model sells more. 1 brand (corporation) sells more. They are 2 different things.
B) It is pretty easy to research model sales by year and manufacturer sales by year or simply do the math by adding all ford model sales together and all GM model sales together. GM comes out ahead.

 

TOTAL trucks. Add the Colorado and Canyons.

 

And Ford outsells GM class for class. You know, how most publications and normal people compare sales. You don't compare Cruz sales to Camry and Corolla sales added together I'm sure.

So I'm glad we are all agreed lol.

You should really work for GM in marketing .

I will give GM credit. Their example shows that there is plenty of market to sell mid sized trucks into without hurting full sized sales. Hence why Ford is jumping back into the market. It's good to see GM not follow on something. They haven't been leading trends for a long time. When it's a back and forth it's better for us buyers.

Do you need to be reminded of this BTW:

 

How do you afford to trade in a 16 taco for a 16 chevy back to a 17 taco?

 

The economy depends on people who trade in their trucks in less than 3 years. Their net losses power the automotive and financial sectors. To be fair lots of people make enough money to be able to follow this pattern anyways without hurting their savings much.

 

And you can see for the 0-60 mph. Tacoma 6.8 sec and the Colorado duramax does 16.5 sec.

 

That's because they have to meet certain US specs whether it be safety/mpg. That's why there are US only cars and then rest of the world. Just like the Tacoma isn't available worldwide and Hilux not available here. There's always red tape.

 

How is that not apples to apples? It is comparing an entire class of vehicle. No different if someone were to argue Toyota sells more sedans than anyone or Ford sells more Vans. You can be as specific or vague as you want as long as you are comparing opposite sides on like terms. Guess anyone can spin it how they want to sound correct.

Truth is in pickup sales which they tallied together GM outsells them which is what the person said. He didn't say full size half tons, he didn't say 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton and 1 ton (which Ford includes the F450 there too); he said pick ups which by how tacomaworld judges is a BOF truck with a bed which TW doesn't include the Ridgeline which coincidentally outperforms the Tacoma in many truck duties though. If you want to throw in SUV's (BOF type) then GM wins there too (I have neither the time nor patience to piece together all sales in CUV's but I bet they win there with their compact CUV's like the Trax and Encore which Ford nor Toyota have). Overall GM sales in the US they lead (though third world wide). If you want to nit pick and spin peoples words around to your terms then go ahead and ill concede, the F150 is outselling the GM twins by a whopping 8k at almost 600,000 sales....

Tyler

 

WHO THE HELL CARES! Ford or GM could sell 121,233,343,354,000,234,300,678,509,009 trucks per year. that doesn't change my purchasing decision if they don't offer a truck that fits my needs.

 

Exactly. I thought this thread was about other trucks being considered as Tacoma replacement and not who sells more trucks.

 

I think people underestimate how stringent/restrictive US emission standards are. Someone high-up in Toyota was quoted as saying that he wasn't sure he'd ever consider a diesel offering because of emission standards here.

It makes sense to me. Why invest money in factory equipment etc. to offer a diesel that may cost $5k-$10k more than your gas engine but with only marginally improved fuel economy and higher $/gal cost? At that point, the biggest benefits are towing power and longevity. The first benefit is moot because nobody buys a Tacoma as a primary tow vehicle and for $45k, you can buy a new/slightly used lower-end F-250/Chevy 2500 diesel for the same cost as a diesel Tacoma but with more towing power. And the second point is pretty moot as well because the average consumer usually doesn't keep their cars for longer than 5 years anyways, so they may recoup their costs somewhat by holding onto the vehicle longer than a gas but it'll never get realized by most.

Unless they could introduce a diesel that promises 30MPG+, I don't see it happening.

 

Same here! It was hard to kill. It has over 203,000 miles on the clock when I sold it. If it wasn't because it was a Reg Cab and I wanted more passenger room, I would have kept it since it was like Timex "takes a licking, and keeps on ticking".

 

I don't see Toyota doing diesel at all even for the Tundra. Actually, I don't see the Tundra being in the line up in the future.

 

I always liked the late 90's to early 2000's ranger with the 4.0 in regular cab. Almost bought one last month but I opted for a more economical xB instead.

 

You had it here lol. "Trucks" is an arbitrary class. You could throw vans, SUV's, heck even CUV's in their. Pickups would be a better choice of words but even then, like you said, you'd start into heavy trucks as well. Don't compare Ford full sized sales against GM full sized and midsized sales. It doesn't make any sense to cross classes unless you're in GM's marketing department.

I'm not debating whether GM makes more vehicles or not. IIRC GM makes something like double the vehicles globally that Ford does. I want to know class on class sales in North America, like most people.

Anyways, points all around let's get back to topic lol.

 

I'd trade it in for this

 

That would do it.

 

I m not planning on trading my Colorado. I am thinking of just getting a 17 Tacoma and build it as my 3rd vehicle. We have an 04 lexus GX with 94k on it that we did not trade in on my Wifes VW Tourereg tdi back in Dec of 14 and kept it to have a 3rd. I put 38k on my truck a year so cost to me is about the same to trade every 2 years or little less at 75k. No way you can catch it and found it is best to just stay under warranty. I figure in my cost is about $6500 a year to drive my truck as far as the vehicle with the trade value. You never catch it due to number of miles I put on. I am thinking I will trade the gx in and get a off road crew with nav and bose and sunroof and mix the miles and also have a truck to play with as my off road truck. That would put me lowing the miles from 38k to 23k a year and id just keep it 4 years and then put 13k a year on the Tacoma on weekends and stuff. Keep it for 15 years. My lexus just sits and don't ever drive it. I drove it in town today just because it hasn't moved in 2 months. It is still worth 16k and is just losing value and just makes no since. Might as well get a 3rd vehicle that will be used and have a purpose. Figure I should be about to give them $20k and my Lexus.

 

If I could have an f150 for a daily and hauling things and a Tacoma for fun that would be perfect for me, but there is no way I can swing that.