What phone are you using with your Tacoma?

I have Galaxy s6. Works good but for the qi it has to be positioned just right to charge.

 

Those are pretty misleading.

To start, (and the only point that is actually important) individual application sales (which they are talking about in both of those links) are a very small portion of the revenue generated by the software itself. If you want to charge $1 for your application, or $20, or give it away for free, that makes a big difference when it comes to "application store revenues", but it may not make a big difference to YOUR revenue. Consider a subscription service that costs a customer $100/month ($1200/year). How big of a difference does it make if you give your software away for free or charge $20? In fact, charging for that program could be construed as insulting, and end up costing you potential customers.

With $1200/year, you need 292 customers in order to generate $350,000. Charge $20 for the software and *assuming* that it doesn't insult too many customers, it might bump you up by $5840. In other words, not much. Or if it insults 6 customers enough that they no longer want your service (it will be much higher than that in reality), then you only get only $348,920. In other words, you make more money by distributing the software for free.

On top of that, build in a demo mode, so they can actually experience the software before subscribing, and it might gain you an extra... 50? 100? whatever number of customers that you might otherwise not have had.

So don't make the mistake of confusing application store gross revenues with what that software is actually making for the developers. LONG gone are the days when someone can spend a weekend writing a dinging bell application and sell a million copies of it for $1 each. That isn't how software makes money!

So... I could care less what amount of revenue apple or google have through their stores.

Also note this about Android: UNLIKE apple, not all android software is actually distributed through the "store". I'm not going to go and try to guess how much is sold outside of the store, but I will say that I have a number of devices that are not google certified for play store installation, and I have purchased software OUTSIDE of play store, for example, https://copilotgps.com/en-us/store/

 

How exactly do you judge that? I'd be happy to consider any rational proof you think you might have. Where are these so-called "facts" you refer to?

 

I've had a nexus 6, note 5 iPhone 6s+. The iPhone is far better as far as speed and performance. Benchmark testing also always shows it better as well but those are subjective to what tester is being used. I'm not say the iPhone is the end all be all but for smooth lag free perform with app opening, gaming and streaming my iPhone's have always taken the lead. Maybe the Google pixel will be the game changer. For now I'll be getting a iPhone 7+ and maybe sell my note 5 for the pixel if the reviews come back positive for it.

 

Benchmarking is absolutely meaningless, since you are trying to compare across platforms, and across CPU architectures (and I don't mean general architecture, such as ARMv7 on the Nexus 6 against ARMv8 on the note5/apple, I mean *specifics* like the variations in the implementation of ARMv8 in the note5 vs apple). Benchmarking is ONLY valid on the SAME platform, to compare EVOLUTIONARY changes to the same product line. Once you start crossing platforms or architectures, you see changes relative to weighted elements, i.e., you might get a bit higher on the single threaded integer score, but way less on the multithreaded integer score. Apple tends to be stronger on single threaded workloads, but weaker on multithreaded workloads. So what happens if the benchmarking software assigns twice the value to single threaded workloads as it does to multithreaded? This will skew the overall results in the favor of the unit that has stronger single threaded performance. It doesn't actually mean that that is the faster processor, or that real world usage would reflect the number, since that proportioning ratio is arbitrary! And I'm talking about results within the same BRAND of benchmarking software.

Nexus 6 is an interesting subject. I happen to have one, and it is a very strong device. BUT, it was born at the very end of 32bit processing, and at the very beginning of "encrypt everything". The 32bit processor is pretty weak when it comes to cryptography, but this particular 32 bit processor is a VERY VERY strong one in pretty much every other area. Do something easy with it that you can't do with an apple, such as disable the flash storage encryption, and its performance skyrockets! How long does it take to launch something BIG, like FIREFOX on a Nexus 6 without encryption? The same amount of time that it takes to play the program opening animation, which you can adjust in the developer settings menu (system settings --> developer options).

And then your note5, well, that's a samsung, complete with all of their horrid code that I was previously talking about. That is NOT a valid comparison. I won't argue that the samsung would seem horrible and slow next to the apple.

If you want to try out a more valid comparison between something Android vs something Apple, even consider a Nexus 6P, although the Snapdragon 810 is a pretty boring chip, being that it is just a reference 8 core A53/A57 toasteroven. Well, at least it can handle the cryptography better than the 805.

 

Iphones are just a bandwagon

 

I don't know what will be able to compete with the iPhone 7s new chip atm but whatever it is will have to be something running "vanilla" android for sure

 

Anybody who likes or dislikes something for no reason is bandwagon. To say the iPhone is a bad phone is just stupid. To say android is better then iOS is opinion. To say that the note 7 was a bad phone because the burn up is a fact. You can't name anything the iPhone does "bad" because let's face it. It does everything good. Not everything the best but it is a well rounded device.

@tgear.shead what do you think of the pixel since you seem to know so much about android. In all seriousness I love talking phone tech with others. Most think I'm crazy for always changing them but I just love mobile tech. What got me started loving phones so much wasn't iPhone believe it or not it was the G2. I don't know if you remember that lol

 

I remember when my girl had a iphone and I had a droid of the same model year. Her phone couldn't open .pdf documents. I thought how stupid. The .pdf has been around since the 1990s lol

 

Why do you say that as if its a bad thing?

 

Oh it's not a bad thing I prefer it. I was just saying it needs to not run a skinned version of it to compete for the smooth glitch free operation.

 

I have a busted up Note 4. Rear facing camera glass is busted but still takes great photos, put a bigger battery in it with extended battery pack, just updated to android 6.0.1 and this thing is a tank. Had it damn near 2 years and haven't had a problem with it. Thing's indestructible! Works great in my truck too just no qi charging which I don't care about!

 

Well it can now so that's like me saying I remember when the iPhone's camera actually took decent photos and droid phones were terrible. Pictures have been around since the 1900s. See what I'm saying? It's a silly argument. These days both do the same stuff

 

So sad that they got rid of the removable battery

 

Very true. I think I'll go S7 next or wait till the S8 since I lost the stylus for the Note and and I never used it much anyway.

 

I'd wait and see what's next. After this huge blow Samsung has taken with the note 7, whatever they release next is going to be a beast to make up I'm sure.

 

Nicely stated.

I'd add that to think that everyone's needs are the same is myopic at best. Unfortunately, many are unable to see past their own usage scenarios and understand that other people may see things differently and have different priorities. In the more extreme cases, the individual may believe that anyone who does not make the same choice he or she made must not be thinking logically. This, and perhaps some need for self-validation, often leads to the various derogatory terms we see so often such as "sheeple", "fanboy", etc.

The qualities of "bad" and "good" are relative to how well a device fulfills a user's needs. Hardware specs become irrelevant beyond that which are needed to adequately serve the user's purposes for the time they'll own the device. Some have high spec requirements, some are served perfectly well by much lower specs. Some want a great deal of customization ability, some simply don't care. Some want a high degree of platform interoperability, others don't care. All are equally valid preferences and projecting one's own preferences on others is just plain stupid.

 

Careful not to fall into the trap that you are accusing others of falling into... because saying that it does everything good is an opinion that is not supported by fact.

What apple does BAD: allow owner to actually make decisions on their own. Allow owner to alter the way the operating system works. Allow owner to install software from wherever they want. Allow owner to not be monitored by apple/google/whatever (because yes, I *can* install Android built from AOSP with google services NOT INSTALLED).

G2? You're referring to "tmobile g2" which was properly known as the HTC Vision? Or are you referring to the LG G2, which was essentially a Nexus 5? I've definitely been in there a bit longer... started with a Palm Treo 650, which was the last good smartphone made until the first Android phone, the Android Developer Phone 1 (ADP1). That palm had to last me 4 years, because there was NOTHING in that gap that was worth owning.

I ordered a pixel 5"/128 for my wife. Its hard to say no to the snapdragon 821 with the nexussey openness, regardless of what name they choose for it now, and how crazy expensive it happens to be. Jury is out on all the probably useless and annoying AI stuff they've jammed into it, but good news of course, is that being unlockable means that this can be wiped off if needed.

 

T-Mobile g2. I had blackberrys and some palms, I had the palm pre (ugh) but the "vision" is what got me hooked.

I don't think the locked UI is a bad thing for people who just want the phone to do what it does. You have to look at it from a more broad perspective because the average person isn't as tech savvy as you seem to be.

 

With a bit of intelligence, one could conceivably alter the Android UI without negatively affecting performance. Problem is that the Android UI is so good as it is, that there are no real good changes to make, which means that there is no intelligence behind it, and they're just making changes for the sake of making changes. Always ends badly.