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Forgot to put oil in

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by jlee91w, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Oct 16, 2016 at 2:46 AM
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    Nalex

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    They are not going to fix anything unless it is broken. Your engine already got some damages no question about it. Will it fail tomorrow? Most likely not. You will start hearing some noises in the future (it is a freaking noisy engine to begin with, and it is driving me crazy) and will burn oil too but it may make take a couple of years.
    My advice for you is (of course if you did not reach an agreement that you are 100% satisfied with) : go home, drain the oil, turn on the truck and floor it while it is in park until your engine says goodbye (don't let your nosy neighbor see you). Then put the oil that you drained back. Tow the truck back to the dealer, take a loaner and tell them when I can pick it up with a new engine in it.
    The whole engine not only the block.
    At the end of the day you paid a big chunk of money for this truck and it wasn't given to you for free.
    Somebody messed up big time and simply it wasn't your fault to pay for it in the future.
    Good luck my friend.
     
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  2. Oct 16, 2016 at 4:30 AM
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    I amount of oil they say was in the engine was not enough to satisfy the lubrication needs....

    Pursue it with vengeance until you get a new truck of motor....
     
  3. Oct 16, 2016 at 4:30 AM
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    Draining the oil then blowing up the engine shows a complete lack of integrity.

    I would get a lawyer involved if it's that bad and the dealer isn't helping you at all.
     
  4. Oct 16, 2016 at 4:38 AM
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    Sorry OP. I agree with the minority here. Blow it up!!! If it's 4x4 take it out for a "trip" and do it. Don't do it around the neighbors.

    If not you really need to go put it's through its paces. High rpms will make any problems show up faster.

    This is why I check my truck after each service.
     
  5. Oct 16, 2016 at 5:35 AM
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    Draining oil then running it to failure would be fraud. It would be pretty easy to prove. If you are gonna break the law, might as well just let the thing get stolen by leaving the keys in it.

    Fortunately you don't have these options anymore. With all the previous post and comments, a sharp lawyer would find out what you did pretty quickly.

    Seriously, there is not going to be much that can happen. Get a lawyer? For What? They are just gonna say the same. There is nothing broke, so you can't sue for damages.

    Get the dealership to buy you a 6 year warranty and drive the thing.

    The dealership can't fix something that is not broken. Getting them to take the motor apart and measuring all the parts is just ridiculous and a waste of time. They are just going to tell you parts are within spec.

    In addition, you most likely won't see an increase of oil consumption. The oil does very little to lubricate rings and cylinders. Just valves, crank and cam bearings.
     
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  6. Oct 16, 2016 at 5:44 AM
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    Lawyer up......
     
  7. Oct 16, 2016 at 5:49 AM
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    ......^^^^...... This x 1000000. For sure as a minimum

    Changing my oil today. ::: reminding myself to refill oil today after I drain it :::
     
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  8. Oct 16, 2016 at 5:50 AM
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    Gotta love litigation via the web.....
     
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  9. Oct 16, 2016 at 5:57 AM
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    Like many others have said, if the motor was run with little or no oil, damage has been done. It may run now with oil in it, but it WILL fail you prematurely down the road.
     
  10. Oct 16, 2016 at 6:00 AM
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    If it was me, at a bare minimum they would give me lifetime warranty on the engine. That way if it does eventually blow, they replace it.

    Also, this is a lesson for future people. If your truck has been sent out without oil, run that thing till it seizes before going back to the dealer.
     
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  11. Oct 16, 2016 at 6:17 AM
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    similar situation happened to my wife's old car (2001 chevy cavalier). They forgot to tighten the drain plug. Fortunately she had sense enough to pull over and turn it off right when the oil light came on. Since it was a few weeks after oil change there was nothing we could do to the shop. So I replace the drain plug changed the filter and filled it up. Sold it to my sister in-law who drove it to 200k and then she sold it ...prob still on the road today. I would go for the lifetime powertrain through Toyota not the dealership just to cover your bases. keep record of every oil change from here on out as well as receipts. If it starts smoking here in a couple years submit a claim on your warranty and get it fixed.
     
  12. Oct 16, 2016 at 6:18 AM
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    So he's claiming the engine only needs roughly 1 quart to fully lubricate the crankshaft, rods and valve train as well as operate the VVT? Why would Toyota put in 5.5 quarts then when they could be saving 4 quarts on each engine? Nope, complete bull. You engine was oil starved and used up somewhere between a little bit and lot of its lifespan. That it didn't seize is kind of amazing but I'm of the opinion that this engine will eventually experience a failure of some kind, spun bearing, cam seize.
     
  13. Oct 16, 2016 at 6:27 AM
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    I would go ahead and do a oil analysis. You will need to drain the oil and collect a bottle to be sent to check for wear metals. I would take two samples. Blackstone Labs would be a decent source. Make sure you identify the problem to them before they test the oil so they can document it properly. The second oil sample do the same thing. It will cost less than $60. Don't let the dealership touch the truck until you pull samples.

    You will want to document everything that transpired and who you talked with. I would then notify Toyota and file a case number due to this happening within the warranty period and Toyota Care program. Send a letter off to the service manager, Toyota Corporate Office, and the general manager of the dealership with your expectations and a time frame.

    Go ahead and get a second opinion from a reputable source. It will help you. If you don't get satisfaction from the first wave get ready for the second wave. You will then get in touch with the CEO of Toyota US. A little diligence and persistence will go a long way.

    You have received lots of recommendations here some good some bad. Most of the responses that tell you the motor is fine and move on is exactly why they play this game. They now the majority will give up early. They will save money.

    If your motor locked up because of no oil it is toasted. It may run but the damage is done. Your motor has very tight clearances on numerous parts when they expand and lock up the parts significantly overheated, scored, and polished the machined parts. Anyone that tells you otherwise either doesn't know how a motor works or is telling a lie.
     
  14. Oct 16, 2016 at 6:29 AM
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    Amen !!! You do need to play dirty cause the dealership/Toyota will be playing dirty to get out of any repercussions. If you play by the rules, you will definitely lose.

    All this talk about getting oil testing, and working with the dealership, being nice and calm, is not going to work since it'll be your word against theirs. Remember they have lawyers, you don't. Even if they admit to wrongdoing, their lawyers will probably come back with, they don't know what happened during the time when you drove off the lot, or that the truck was already in that condition prior to them doing the oil change, or that the truck still runs now.

    Remember, never screw people over, but always screw over corporations when given the chance.
     
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    LOL, I can see it now.... OP takes advice from forum members, blows engine, Toyota USA sees thread....yeah...now its all on you!!!

    Geez are people that stupid. Work it out with the dealer, don't cause any further damage intentionally.

    Edit: And start changing the oil yourself!!!
     
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    Amen brother!!!
     
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    Yeah but for most of us it doesn't. I've done it plenty of times, and when I'm doing it right, it takes me at least 20 minutes.

    I've got a large chest, I can't just crawl under the truck. i'm also not a fan of just jacking it up and letting it drain while uneven. So when I do the oil I usually throw it on a 4-point hoist so I can be sure it's mostly level, safe, and i have plenty of room to maneuver.

    How many of you guys work your day job in clothes you can change oil in? I don't... So let's just pretend I have time to kill after work, 5pm. I run home, grab a change of clothes, stop at the parts store and grab a filter and 5.5 quarts, run over to the shop with the hoist. That's 30 minutes, at least. Get in, throw it on the hoist, pop the drain plug, drain the oil, and since I'm on a hoist and doing my oil, I'd might as well rotate the tires "quickly" while it's up there. That's a good 30 minutes start to finish to 1. round up tools, 2. complete the work and 3. get it back on the ground. At that point I'm easily an hour in from the time I've left the office. So now that it's back on the ground, pop the hood, pull the filter (yay 2nd gen filter location), get a new filter on, get a funnel and fill it. Clean up a little, get in, start the truck, check pressure, reset the "maint req'd light", fill out an entry in the maint journal and then get back out, check the level... That's another 20 minutes. I'm an hour and 20 min into ... Close up the barn, head home, 10 more minutes...

    I'm sure I'm not nearly as badass of a mechanic as you, but I'd love to see anyone do an oil-change "no-prep" in 10 minutes.

    Given the options of;
    1. Let a dealer do it (40 one-way, let's assume a "quick" half hour service, and another 40 minutes back)
    2. Do it myself at an hour and a half total time invested.
    3. Let a local drive-through shop like valvoline do it for $80 and easily an hour of my time (because there's definitely one or two people in line when I get out of work already).

    It's an obvious choice of why i want to do it myself. But that doesn't make it "quick and easy".

    Also, how the hell do you guys dispose of used oil? I still have to take it somewhere to get rid of it...
     
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    Takes me about 5 minutes to change my oil.

    1.Drive up on the alignment rack at work
    2. Zip the skid plate off with my impact
    3.open fumoto valve and pull filter out
    4.close valve and install filter
    5.reinstall skid plate
    6.lower and fill with oil

    All done in my uniform before 8am.
     
  20. Oct 16, 2016 at 7:36 AM
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    I can change my oil in about 20 min.

    The reason why you don't do it yourself is because you REALLY don't want to... . There is ZERO reason outside of having a brand new truck with the free oil changes to have someone else change your oil. No one is too busy in their life to change their own oil but plenty of people are too lazy.

    If the OP had changed his own oil this wouldn't have happened. Granted it's still NOT HIS FAULT but that doesn't change the fact that if he had changed his own oil which is so easy he wouldn't be having the headache he is having now. This is generally why I do everything on my truck myself.

    Oh and I save my old oil in a container and take it to any auto parts store, they all have giant tanks to dump your oil in.

    OP I hope you get this issue resolved. I wouldn't stop until I had a brand new engine or new truck and then I'd never step foot in that place again.
     
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