I've got a DCLB Colorado diesel to test along side my Taco this weekend.......

I did, the great debate in my household was the GMC Canyon Diesel over a Tacoma. Frankly the Tacoma wasn't really even considered but when I looked at what capabilities I was looking for, the Tacoma ultimately won. I do wish they offered the 5 cyl diesel in the Toyota that they have in the Hilux and Land Cruisers though.

Thankfully, I have not experienced a single issue that others have.

 

That might be the perfect truck. That means it will never happen. Ford is bringing back the Bronco, and I'm convinced they will ruin it, just like Pontiac did with the GTO.

 

They may if this ZR2 takes off. Hopefully Toyota will wake up.

 

I just added the Canyon on my insurance policy, and it $200 a year more than my 17 Tacoma. Probably from all the guys drag racing the Duramax at the local drag strips.

 

That's precisely where we were at. Honestly with the stated mpg on the Tacoma, and the uncomfortable seating in the Canyon- we initially chose the Tacoma.

However the Tacoma ultimately shocked me when I was getting 20-25% less highway mpg than rated (stock form) and the tranny shifting issues. It's one of the reasons I had to revisit it all over again....

Unfortunately we cannot get past the comfort in the Colorado. It's just 'not right'. I may just go full size and keep my Jeeper ticking forever..

 

That's one time the dealership F'd up when they let a customer take it home for the weekend. You fell out of love with it.

 

Yeah, sounds like you'd be very happy with most of the full-size options, for comfort anyway. If you're looking for better gas mileage, that would narrow your choices down a bit.

 

Nothing scientific here just casual observations over on Fuelly.

2016 Tacoma 3.5 has 2,490,xxx miles tracked with 18.8 mpg.
2016 Colorado 3.6 has 545,xxx miles tracked with 19.7 mpg.
2016 Colorado diesel has 421,xxx miles tracked with 24.6 mpg.

I've got 5,xxx miles on my 2017 Tacoma but I do not track on Fuelly. My high tank so far has been 22.4(320 miles on highway/interstate 60-75 mph depending on road limits and through multiple towns at 25-35) My low tank is 15.2(half of the tank burned up pulling enclosed cargo trailer). Normal tank of mixed 50/50 usually 19.5 - 20.5mpg. I came from a 2014 Tundra that struggled to 14 on the same 320 mile trip and consistently was 12-14 on a mix tank. Overall I am very pleased with my Tacoma, sure it doesn't tow like my Tundra, but that was expected. I've been reading on this forum for months and to me it seems there might be some unrealistic expectations for the Tacoma, especially after doing some mods. I would be curious to know how many Colorado owners squawk about mileage after putting a 3/1 lift and plus 1 tire size on.

In stock form my Tacoma has been spot on for my expectations.

 

The ones with gas ones, bitch just as much as Taco owners. Diesel, not sure. I would guess people buying diesel are more concerned with mileage, thus pass on the lift. I would think GM twin owners would tend to be a older buyer, not as concerned with a lift as Taco owner. Not sure, but me thinks so

 

Yeah man after I asked you, & found a couple threads on the tranny and saw the TSB. I'm feeling a lot better about it now.
Thanks bro

 

Yep the tsb solved the hard 1st to 2nd and delayed reverse to drive. Smooth as butter now.

 

You're half correct. Torque is key, but it's torque at the wheels that matters. Fortunately all trucks come with a device to multiply engine torque up and down before it reaches the wheels (the transmission and final drive gears). Horsepower is a function of torque and RPM, so it remains unchanged (ignoring drivetrain losses) as your transmission shifts.

If it helps, imagine that we attached a hypothetical lossless gearbox to the output of the Tacoma V6 with a 1.35:1 reduction gear set. At the Tacoma's 6100RPM redline, the gearbox output shaft is now spinning at 4500RPM, which is the rev limit of the 2.8L diesel in the Colorado. So with the hypothetical gearbox the two engines cover the same range of rotational speeds. But thanks to the gear reduction, the Tacoma engine's 265 lb-ft of peak torque is now multiplied by 1.35, giving us 358 lb-ft of peak torque at the shaft. That's almost identical to the 369 lb-ft peak you get from the Colorado engine. Horsepower remains unchanged by the gearbox, though, which means the geared-down Tacoma actually has more effective torque across a broader range than the 2.8L Diesel due to the higher horsepower numbers. The torque of the 2.8L diesel in the Colorado comes on fast, but falls off quickly.

So why do the two trucks feel so different? It's the gearing. If you want low-end grunt in the Tacoma, regear your final drive. The truck will have more torque at the wheels at the expense of shorter gears.

 

newbie to toyota question. do they update their 2017 models before sale? Or do I need to get it done?

 

They weren't updated on the 2017's

 

I'm not sure about all your hypothetical scenarios, gearing, bla bla bla. My Tacoma I just traded, seemed like it was barely able to pull itself down the highway, where my Canyon zips down the highway effortlessly. CAN the Tacoma, on paper, tow almost the same as the Diesel? Yes, but it won't tow it as well, as the diesel. Case in point it: A few years ago, I had a V10 gas F250 and a 30 foot RV. That V10 is one bad ass engine. I spent three weeks on vacation to Yellowstone. I pulled in mountains, and the plains of the Midwest on the way back. It towed it, but not nearly as well as a diesel. When I got back, I borrowed a friends diesel F250 to move the RV into storage, and it was night and day difference with the diesel. The trucks were almost exactly the same, except for the engine. I'm no engineer, just have my own experience, and the fact that 99% of large RV owners pull them with a diesel. The gas rigs are clogging up the highways, going 10-15 miles under the flow of traffic, while the diesel owners are blowing me out of my lane when they pass me.

 

Is any of this really groundbreaking info? If your towing full time buy a diesel for 50k. If not save 20k and get a Tacoma.

 

I haven't noticed any of the issues people have said with my '17

 

I hadnt either, thats why I asked. The only complaint I have with the trans. When cruise is set. It downshifts too quickly to catch back up. Doesn't go above 2600 rpm. But it is noticeable for sure.

 

Are you tracking your results based off the computer readings or your own calculation?

 

Pump calculations, the computer is usually within .4 mpg up or down. I put 2K on per month so there are variable gas stations and pumps.