2018 Diesel

It's more of a work focused truck is the basic reason I've been told. Overall the Tacoma is a bit more refined for the average American buyer.

 

I gave price from his place (state) he claims its not exact location even so everybody up and down his state have the same pricing and states up and down have similar (you know same taxes etc)

We have sales numbers but we don't have production numbers (if this is what you asking for) and I don't think anybody publicly has breakdown of Colorados yet. If they get published they will be published at the end of the year for investors.

I also don't think federal or state government numbers are included in sales numbers. The whole diesel delay I have a feeling is due to Government orders taking precedence. If you read EO government has to reduce by 4% by 2017 which is big number.
Colorado can run on BIOdiesel so I am guessing if they use 15% BIOdiesel than they can claim they using 15% renewable energy and claim their REC (ZREC/LREC).
The thing I quoted is executive order so its done deal. All Federal government agencies while have to follow and states will do the same, so Diesel vehicles should start getting more popular. GM was smart (first) and its a reason why Ford is testing their technologies.

CNG is hard to do in places with out enough infrastructure. NYC can have CNG buses because they drive within the city limits so access to CNG is easy. Others would have to invest tons of money into CNG fuel cells or systems to liquefy NG so it can be pumped into cars. than there is pipeline issues. A lot of states is now pushing to change homes from oil heat to CNG, that will drop Diesel price significantly in future, simply much less demand.

 

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The difference is a pretty low percentage.

 

Detroit diesel's are not 2 stroke? Yes they run bunker fuel for more than one reason but it's still a diesel.

 

The difference is a pretty low percentage.[/QUOTE]
I dont know man, upwards of 10% is a pretty solid difference.
Data
Average Cost 4/3/16 Gas Diesel
New England 2.05 2.24
Central Atlantic 2.07 2.29
Rocky Mountain 1.96 2.12

 

I thought it was only one line of their engines that were 2 stroke and that most of the common engines they make are 4 stroke due, again, to emissions requirements..

Anyways, my point is that I have no idea where you are going when you talk about ship engines in comparison to cars. For shits sake what powers combat ships... it's not Diesel btw... however it is a turbine engine which makes zero sense in a car... kind of like how a 2 stroke heavy fuel engine would make no sense in the Tacoma.

 

Even if the fuels are even you'd still need to drive a lot of miles trouble free to realize the payback.

 

So if you spend 2 hours in traffic 5 times a week, that's an average of 0.7 GPH difference between the Tacoma and Powerstroke per day or 7 GPW. That's assuming you are silly enough to commute into a major city in a truck rather than a car. 7 GPW X 52 weeks in a year is 364 gallons in a year. 364 x $2.25/US gallon is ~$820 per year spent on fuel in the Tacoma over the Diesel you mentioned. Devide that into the $3.5K it takes to buy a Diesel in the Tacoma's class, not counting the fact that it's more like 10-15K more to buy a Lariat F250 Diesel, and the math is $3500/$820 = 4.3 years. Again, that's a long time to just break even and past the warranty period. That's on an example that's so heavily tilted to the Diesel that it's not even funny. If you only go into New York a few times a month like I assume you do it will pencil out over a few decades. I'm guessing that's your case since you've claimed your actually living in the back country, which I'm guessing means you don't go to New York more than a few times a year at most. You aren't making your value back very fast at idle.

Oh, and Diesels don't idle on the highway. Your mythbusters rant is full of holes. I won't even go there other than to say if you think you can run your Powerstroke at under 800 rpm on the highway you need to stop pointing fingers at whose never drove one... because the guy who clearly hasn't is you.

Let's back up to a reasonable average day guy example of the Prius versus a VW Diesel. You say you get around 48 mpg on a VW? Okay, let's use that even though it's way above what real people report as their fuelly average. The Prius gets 46 mpg. That's IRL Fuelly mileage and not the bullshit you keep pulling out of your ass and then claim it's fact. How is something you just pull out of your personal experience and then throw up on the internet fact? Just stick to using sources that directly pertain to what you are trying to demonstrate, and no that doesn't mean you just throw a journal report up that has a title that's related to what you are saying, PULL SOME ACTUAL DATA IF YOU THINK YOU CAN ACTUALLY SCIENCE BRO BECAUSE THOSE OF US WHO DO ACTUALLY KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE COMPLETED COLLEGE... anyways I digress because you won't actually do that and instead come back at me with some random statement and claim it to be fact that disproves my point even when it's barely related to what I'm saying... right let's get back to the example...

The average American drives 29.2 miles per day. 365 days a year x 29.2 miles per day = ~8500 miles per year. 8500 miles / 46 mpg on the Prius is 185 Gallons of gasoline a year. 8500 miles / 48 mpg is 177 Gallons of Diesel a year for the old school VW Diesel. Assuming that the cost of the fuels is the same, rather than go either way and start another pissy little fight over what fuel costs at the local gas pump which btw no one cares, than 177gal/185gal shows us a 4% fuel savings (177 being 96% of 184). So if you buy 185 gallons of gas at $2.25 per gallon you've spent $417 on gas a year. 4% of that is $17....

If $17 per year will make you rich given your unrealistic VW diesel number have at it...

Anyways my whole point here is that even if you bend the math towards Diesel a bit by leveling the price or talking about idling consumption you still don't make the math work out insanely towards the Diesel like you are suggesting. Instead you find that for the average guy the costs are very close and, in many cases, slightly tilted towards the gasoline engine. Sure, if you like what Diesel brings to the table go buy one. You will go about 20% further on the same size tank of fuel and you will have tons of torque if you have to move very heavy loads. No one here is suggesting anything against that @maineah. What people are suggesting though is that Diesel is not a no brainer decision for every single driver. It's not even a no brainer for an average driver. It's something that works out for some people but for the average person... the costs are close so why spend the extra up front unless you need the range or towing? Not to mention people lose the driving style they are used to from a gas engine due to the slower acceleration of the Diesel engine which a lot of people don't want. If you want the best mileage in town you're likely better off with a hybrid anyways, BTW a Diesel electric decoupled hybrid would be sweet and I'd love to see that, over a Diesel. If you want to commute into a large city you aren't going to buy a Superduty or Tacoma unless you apparently get free parking and don't care about maneuverability. Anyways I'm ranting, and this will be my last post in the thread, but the point is that if you really step back and look at this Diesel is a preference not a need.

 

I dont know man, upwards of 10% is a pretty solid difference.
Data
Average Cost 4/3/16 Gas Diesel
New England 2.05 2.24
Central Atlantic 2.07 2.29
Rocky Mountain 1.96 2.12[/QUOTE]

8% and it's cheaper than 93 with more energy per pound some states sales tax is that high.

 

ok. I have had my diesel Colorado 4x4 z71 now for 9 months and 26k miles. Average mpg over all miles is 27.6. Average cost of diesel over the 9 months is at it highest difference since I have had it over gas price at 87 octane which is 22 cents. It has been running between same and 15 cents more mostly but ill use the 22 cents. all normal service needed was wash on cost on this truck compared to gas. Burned a total of 20 gallons of DEF and cost average was 2.49 a gallon. So call it $50.00. My 16 Tacoma averaged 19.1 mpg before I sold it. Now lets use $2.00 per gallon average for gas and $2.22 for diesel. 942 gallons of diesel at 2.22 is $2091 and 1361 gallons of gas at $2.00 is $2722. Now add $50 for def to the $2091 which is $2141. Difference is $581 for the last 9 months. Now actual cost difference of diesel engine over v6 was $3680 out the door. So as stated above by time you add the cost of engine and you put lots of miles as I do on a year it is no savings on the diesel but I can say the power train is much smoother than the 6 gas but not sure with the new 8 speed in 17 gas. I did check trade value and same gas equipped Colorado with this mileage is $2900 less trade in value. So if this continues on trade value it would be worth the diesel. Many think getting diesel for the long haul but as stated not the same as older diesels. I will trade mine every year or two max of 60k miles and go on. Same with gas motor. I put so many miles on I just figure my cost at about $600 a month to own a truck that I wall put 33k a year on

 

lol. Dealers are worst place to get insider info on upcoming cars. Car companies go to extreme measures to keep their projects quiet so automotive journalists don't blow their cover. Do you think telling their sales people would be a standard protocol? Been seeing diesel rumors for years on the Tacoma. They are selling too many of them now to even care about the extra headache of making a diesel to meet the strict US emissions standards.

 

Likely trading an F150 in here right away for an Ford Escape. The ultimate fuel saver is a smaller vehicle lol.

 

reality is that diesel is not a bad choice at all and even the new gas engines with all the new restrictions I feel that it is a wash cost wise. Having the diesel Colorado I still miss my 16 Tacoma just because I like the looks interior and exterior on it better. Plus off road it is better. My main issue was seat position and not adjustable. Come on Toyota please fix the 18 model to have adjustable seats and maybe little bigger seats too. Be great if you can also fix seat position but don't think that is possible but if you make it at least 6 way power for both front seats would be big help!! and little bigger seat!! Diesel would be icing on the cake but im ok with gas but think you need to change from the 3.5 and go with the 4.7 v8 honestly. My 04 gx 470 gets better mileage than the new 17 Tacoma. I average 19.6 in it and it easily gets 23 hwy at 75 and gets 16 in all city.

 

Ummm. Just sayin'
2013 http://www.autoblog.com/2013/09/02/toyota-tundra-cummins-diesel-engine/

2014 http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/02/toyota-tundra-getting-cummins-diesel.html

 

@volcop and @SnowFarmer

The only way that the Cummins ends up in a Toyota Tundra is if Nissan cancels their contract. End of story. Cummins doesn't have an engine available for the Tundra at this time because of their single POS contract with Nissan and Dodge.

Toyota had the opportunity to have the V8 Cummins in their truck and smartly passed. It doesn't fit in the market because the mileage isn't better than your average half ton and it doesn't tow all that much more (roughly 2K pounds).

 

the Toyota Tacoma will be a hybrid electric before it ever becomes a diesel

get off the tacoma diesel horse...it's not gonna happen

 

Let's have Putin hack Toyota's computer and find the real answer

 

I disagree and I think Toyota will announce a diesel for the Tacoma for the 18 model year.

 

If they do it'll be their own, not a Cummins. I hope you're not basing your guess on what a dealership sales guy told you though lol. They don't know shit a year ahead.

 

Yes, dealerships are the last to know. I worked at a GM dealer when the big Duramax came out. I had customers emailing me the specs, while the GM rep was telling me he doesn't know anything.

A diesel Tacoma would be the perfect truck. People like to breakdown the time it will take to breakeven in a diesel vs gas, and argue dollars. What they aren't considering is a diesel is just more enjoyable to drive than a gas rig. Tons of torque. I have had 2 diesel Jetta's and most recently a Cruze diesel. They drove much better than their gas counterparts drove. You didn't have to put your foot through the floor to accelerate, just little more pressure, and off you go. I traded my Tacoma for a diesel Canyon, and it's by far a better on-road driver than the Tacoma. The Tacoma was much better off road. Stick a diesel in it, and you might have the perfect truck. The problem is there is little demand for a diesel in the US. I hope it increases, because I'd never buy a gas rig again, if there were diesel options out there. GM is bringing the diesel back for the Cruze and Equinox.