Sway bar broke

Im still new to the sway bar removal, but to me the learning curve doesn't take much. If you feel a little sway either slow down or try to learn your trucks limits. I now have 33's on so Im not in haul ass mode anyway. I think the sway bar helps to give you faster maneuvers which might incite more aggressive driving than without?

Coot

 

There's a reason it on the truck. Take it off for off road purpose that the original reason to take it off. Not to keep it off on a public road.

 

I don't think it's over the top when safety is on the line on a public road. Take it off for off road purpose. Don't leave it off and endanger others around you.

 

I would like to see the engineers design criteria...maybe its an industry standard to have a sway bar on IFS trucks? Maybe certain countries require these over the US for Toyota selling markets? Im sure they added it to increase Toyota's bragging rights on safety. I think its funny how just because an engineer put something on a truck that immediately there is no room for deviation without any knowledge of figures or statistics of the positives and negatives.

Coot

 

Totally agree. You can very quickly learn how to compensate for the degraded performance. But I guess that's the point I'm trying to make...if you KNOW the performance is degraded, why are you prepared to live with that? It takes about half an hour to put the sway bar back on. It's easy work and drastically improves the performance of the truck. For me, it's time well spent and worth it. Unless you offroad every week (I don't...wish I could) it really isn't a hard thing to swap out regularly. Strictly my opinion though.

 

Not saying I doubt you, but I guess before going back and fourth...got sources for these recommendations in legal terms or are these just "your" requirements?

Coot

 

Start here if you want to ask Toyota: www.Toyota.com

The one of many purposes for a sway bar aka anti-sway bar is to control the handling of a vehicle ON ROAD. Sure you could stiffen the springs but you'll have people complain about a stiff ride. Yeah we know it's a truck and they don't need plush ride quality but I'll tell you what the trend for trucks the last 20 years are going that route.

 

Show me proof from these engineers you speak of that taking the swaybar off is "endangering others around me" instead of pure conjecture, and I will put it back on.

 

That's like asking if windshields needed to be laminated. Of course it is. I'm not a lawyer. Are you? Can you show me your sources that sway bar aren't needed on a public road?

 

I agree with you as well. As most things I am finding out with my truck, many parts although designed for main road intent are not always very adequate or realistic for off road. I guess through all this communication I apologize that it might seem I am advocating to remove the sway bar, but really I question the needs for it and whether that might apply to the OP. Since the OP hasn't said much, we have moved to a general speculation. Not that it matters much here, but Im a mechanical engineer by trade and so I question the components on my 12' Tacoma by their reliability, strength in off road applications, and overall functionality. By me going LT, that has solved my question mechanically. With that being said, I have tried to test my truck in slower applications to test what the feeling of the roll is like in the truck in comparison to what might actually be taking place. You might be like me in that having your truck sway when on a level plane might feel distinctly different. At the same time, how much does a 15 degree sway of the front feel vs what are the actual physics involved in causing a flip? There are quite a few folks on here with the sway bar removed, and as @JadedTaco pointed out, you don't hear of too many flips vs the amount of swaybarless members unless they are all too ashamed to post it.

I apologize if this seems forward, but I just find that unless I see the numbers of what realistic situations can be derived by certain speeds with a certain turning radius stated on what the truck will flip without a sway bar, then its just a considerable component. But again, this is my criteria. I do appreciate your feedback though as more perspective is better than less.

Coot

 

I guess Im picky as Im an engineer and I would like to see the criteria if it holds more of a safety merit than a political one.

Coot

 

Here www.toyota.com

 

https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/is-it-safe-to-drive-with-a-broken-sway-bar

 

Many people like the way the truck drives and handles w/o the sway bar, on or off road. Alot of it is personal preference.

 

As someone who's been racing on and off road I see your point.

 

I guess how do people get away with not having one during a vehicle inspection? None of my buddies have one and have sold theirs sometime ago...? By the way your "Toyota.com" link didn't seem too informative.

Coot

 

That shows me nothing.

 

http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...lces-is-it-required-by-law-for-on-highway-ops

 

So you race with a sway bar? Impressive!!!

Coot