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Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Spewed, Jan 25, 2017.

  1. Jan 25, 2017 at 11:12 AM
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    Love it Kolton!! Beer, dog, and truck parts life can't get much better then that!
     
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  2. Jan 25, 2017 at 11:25 AM
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    Probably new upper control arms
     
  3. Jan 25, 2017 at 11:25 AM
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    Thank you ^_^ and indeed it cannot
     
  4. Jan 25, 2017 at 11:41 AM
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    Are you asking if you need them?

    Depends on who you talk to and what lift you're going for. I've heard plenty of guys including Billy from brute force who ran a 2.5inch lift or so (less tire heights etc) with OEM uppers with no problem.
    That's before his beastly SAS of course
     
  5. Jan 25, 2017 at 11:46 AM
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    Yeah, I think the closer you get to 3" of lift, the better you are with getting new UCAs. 2.5" of lift in the front shouldn't require new UCAs. I got the 888 coils (close to 3" before settling) on my truck and chose to go with new UCAs.
     
  6. Jan 25, 2017 at 11:56 AM
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    lol I misquoted. Meant to send that to the one asking how to fix the driveline issues
     
  7. Jan 25, 2017 at 11:58 AM
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    I hope with this set up I can roll with the 285/75/16s I'm planning on because tall skinny just doesn't do it for me. If I can't I wonder if I can adjust the shocks to help maybe put them on the 2nd or third setting at some point
     
  8. Jan 25, 2017 at 12:03 PM
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    3* shims usually. From what I've read those issues have nothing to do with front end lift only the rear. If you have the time read 179 pages of @Crom build thread. You'll be blown away
     
  9. Jan 25, 2017 at 12:12 PM
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    :wave: Marie!
     
  10. Jan 25, 2017 at 12:34 PM
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    Should fit fine with Ray 10s. They have good backspacing and offset.
     
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  11. Jan 25, 2017 at 12:42 PM
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    Yeah, you shouldn't have an issue with these tires on the Ray 10s. I run 285/70/17 tires on the Rays 10s and I get no rubbing when fully locked or when off roading. Again, it will all depend on the tire too because the threading on each tire is different (some are bulkier than others).
     
  12. Jan 25, 2017 at 12:43 PM
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    Well hello there :bananadance:
     
  13. Jan 25, 2017 at 12:46 PM
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    OP you should get a Bushing from Eastern Gear for the driveline vibrations. My install is tomorrow same kit as yours but 2nd generation 5100's and 887's with a driver side spacer. AAL for back. I only wanted 2 inches of lift. I'm having the Bushing put in at the same time like other members on here told me to do.
    Marie didn't tell me I needed new u bolts so I hope it goes ok.
     
  14. Jan 25, 2017 at 12:48 PM
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    2.5" is marginal, 3" for sure.
     
  15. Jan 25, 2017 at 1:09 PM
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    @HeadStrong Off-Road , you all have been proclaimed as a leading suspension system provider. Educate us: what would you recommend to correct the driveline and front end geometry after a performing a 3-4 inch lift?
     
  16. Jan 25, 2017 at 1:32 PM
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  17. Jan 25, 2017 at 2:37 PM
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    Thank you sir. Here is a more consolidated, general approach.

    This is not meant as a discouragement to lifting your vehicle. Please note: this is just to inform you.

    If you are not willing to spend thousands of dollars, don't mess with your suspension's ride height.

    Here is the scoop. If you change your ride height, you need to fix all of the suspension and driveline geometry you just threw out of whack. Non-negotiable.

    Let's start with the front... Raising the front requires you to correct the roll center, camber gain, bump steer, Ackerman steering, and then an front end alignment. The first 4 cost a lot of money. Don't forget: if you have a 4wd, then you need to correct the driveline geometry you just messed up. Again, money.

    Now for the rear... Raising the rear cause less trouble than the front, but you need to be diligent none the less. The most important thing you need to correct is driveline geometry. With a 2 piece driveshaft, there are a lot of angles to be mindful off. These must be corrected when lifting a vehicle. Roll center needs to be considered as well, but this is very minor. Last, a front end alignment to correct the faster you just through out. Finally, you need to test for vibrations in the driveline and correct as needed.

    Failing to correct the geometry after a lift results in a realization that you paid money to make your vehicle worse. Though, to be fair, it may look a little nicer.
     
  18. Jan 25, 2017 at 2:49 PM
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    Why are we asking a question about a 3-4" lift when op is getting 2.5?
     
  19. Jan 25, 2017 at 2:55 PM
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    All that for a 2.5-inch lift? I have never heard this before.
     
  20. Jan 25, 2017 at 2:56 PM
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    Sorry for the late response

    We are not able to answer a question such as this since the answer really depends on the overall lift achieved and what corrections are needed post lift to alleviate any possible issues. Unfortunately there’s not a one answer fits all for a lift kit that’s slatted to provide X amount of lift, not to my knowledge at least. Providing a response for this would assume that the end result in terms of angles and or corrections needed is going to be the same for every single Tacoma. Also we don’t recommend going over the 3" mark unless you are doing a drop bracket lift kit. Now we all know that the heart wants what the heart wants so some people will still go beyond the recommended heights to get the stance or look that they are shooting for, but for these individuals we do try to go over some of the possible issues (alignment, drive line angles, vibrations).
     
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