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Long Travel w/ drop Bracket Lift? HELP!

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Vero, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. Jan 26, 2017 at 2:51 AM
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    Vero

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    I do know that he was adding limiting straps. I will ask him about everything else and maybe even have him take measurements on the coilover (just in case I want to change them out). Thanks for the info!
     
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  2. Jan 26, 2017 at 5:09 AM
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    I can't wait to see pictures of this. When do you get it back?
     
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  3. Jan 26, 2017 at 5:28 AM
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    If you do this you'll be safe. Then it's a question of ride quality, which is entirely subjective.
     
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  4. Jan 26, 2017 at 7:13 AM
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    Friday (hopefully). I got regeared (yay!), new tires, and my billion dollar skid plate finally put on. I can't wait to see it either!
     
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  5. Jan 27, 2017 at 12:17 AM
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    This is going to be gnarly! :) Get us some pictures as soon as possible. I've actually been planning to do this also; I had the same idea and plan with my Tundra since day 1, which is currently running a ~6.5" BDS lift with 37s.

    I, too, will be mixing a LT kit (Camburg's) with my bracket kit. I'm going to run my current coilovers with the LT parts. Sure, I won't be maximizing the kits potential travel but I can always get custom coilovers in the future as an option if I really cared -- you'll still get slightly more travel because the lengthened arms create a wider vertical arc. The reason why I'm going this route is so I can fit 40" (and hopefully 42s afterward) tires on my truck. The LT parts will move the wheel hub forward an inch and outward two while negating the need to use wheel spacers (currently have 1.25" Spidertrax). It's an overland build so I won't be airing it anytime soon but I do go pretty fast on the trails. I also have 800lb springs on my coilovers (a lot of weight on the front half of my truck over stock), which will help combat fully collapsing and extending the coilover a little (until I get extended bumpstops and limit straps).

    From my rough measuring, I should be able to run the 40s without much more modification other than redoing my BMC to be more aggressive and hammering down my pinch welds. Now for when I eventually try to cram 42s, I'll probably have to do some chopping on the bottom corner of the wheel well and a modest 1" body lift (more like .75" to be safe and so I don't have to modify anything else to make the body lift itself work) before that. Dropping the bumpstops more would be my last resort since I don't want to lose upward travel. The truck's supercharged and running the stock 4.3 gears but will go to 4.88s (lowest available for the Tundras) after I get the 40s.

    The truck will be able to move the 42s fine with the supercharger and 4.88 gears. The 40s will be even easier. My only concern would be to keep an eye out for my steering rack and pinion wearing sooner with the 42s.

    And, yea, I wheel my truck (done plenty of obstacles that Tacos have bypassed around Cleghorn, MJT, and Rowher)..

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  6. Jan 27, 2017 at 12:53 AM
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    You will not get any more travel, your suspension will be capable of more travel but your coilovers will still limit it. The ratio is actually reduced as the lower CO mount moves outward so IE: in the stock position the ratio may be around 1.9:1 when you move that lower CO mount out further with a +2 kit the ratio drops to around 1.6:1...doesn't sound like much but it is a big difference. That is why a stock truck only needs a 4" stroke CO for 8" of travel and a long travel kit with only 3 or 4 more inches of travel needs an 8" stroke CO. IE: only 50% more travel but needs nearly twice the stroke. You will also need lighter coil springs with the +2 kit if you want to maintain the same ride feel that you have now. Tacos for example commonly use a 700 lb spring with a plate bumper and winch etc on stock length arms but with a +2 kit 700lb springs ride like cinder blocks...as POTUS would say "uge" difference. @Basikbiker will back me up on the tech here. F-n rad Tundra dude ! I want one soooo bad...
     
  7. Jan 27, 2017 at 1:40 AM
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    Makes sense, I have a +2 kit waiting for install, when I unboxed the shocks I was thinking "damn I don't remember the mid travel shocks being this fucking long".
     
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  8. Jan 27, 2017 at 1:45 AM
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    Yea, that makes sense. I guess what I'll also need to figure out is how much further out the Camburg kit mounts the lower end of the coilover to figure out the final ratio. Stock LCAs are a 1.6:1 ration for the Tundras. Again, I'm totally prepared to lose, gain, or see no change in travel at all -- based on the ratio. I can upgrade the coilovers later as a step. I didn't know about the springs making it worse though; thanks for the tip. I mean, yea my ride got noticeably stiffer when I went to 800 from 600 (even with the extra ~300lbs of weight on the front) but it rides as if I still had my front sway bar when on pavement. Off pavement it's not that bad as long as I air down do 15-25psi. It's a slow process but I'll eventually have a setup that works out for my needs. The LT parts are just a stepping stone toward the final product that's perfect.
     
  9. Jan 27, 2017 at 2:29 AM
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    I had 700's on my mid travel DK kit and assumed I should use 700's again on my Solo +2 kit and holy fudge ripple no sway bar needed but my teeth were rattling out of my skull over every little pot hole like I had 80 PSI in the tires. I've got some 650-18" eibachs and 700 16" kings in the garage if they are the right size you are welcome to try em' before ya' buy em'... I've had them all posted for sale for everrrrrr.
     
  10. Jan 27, 2017 at 2:15 PM
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    Here it is! The ride is rough, cause the coilovers are maxed out even w/ a 1" spacer (added about 2" to the lift) So I will consider custom/longer coilovers if I don't get used to it/don't like it. I know it's not the best for the CO's either. They had to remove the sway bar too, so I have to get used to that also. Idk if it's the increased lift and/or no sway bar but it was definitely much more effort to keep it straight. I'll be breaking the gears in for a while, But it has much more power in 1st and 2nd! Very happy with the stance though, not too crazy.
     
  11. Jan 27, 2017 at 2:18 PM
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    From ride height, right?
     
  13. Jan 27, 2017 at 4:22 PM
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    Your UCAs are installed on the wrong sides.
     
  14. Jan 27, 2017 at 4:26 PM
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    They are on the correct sides bud
     
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    Yea I looked again. Swear they looked reversed at a quick glance.

    Good grief...
     
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  16. Jan 27, 2017 at 4:42 PM
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    I haven't had a lot of time or ability to drive it cause I'm breaking in the new gears, but the articulation is sooo much better! I zipped into my parking spot like a 1st gen!
     
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  17. Jan 27, 2017 at 4:44 PM
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    I'm stoked for you! It looks great, @Vero! The preload and UCA joints are a little worrisome but that can always be addressed down the road, especially if you're not going to be bombing the truck down dirt roads anytime soon. Do you know what spring rate you have? I'm guessing they're the coilovers stock 600lb rates. What did you regear to? Honestly, you might be able to run 37s with perhaps a more aggressive chop and hammering down the pinch welds, too.
     
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  18. Jan 27, 2017 at 4:55 PM
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    Thanks! Idk about the spring rate, they are the fox coilovers from the BDS kit -tried to look it up, but didn't find SR. Yes, I agree. Evenflow was right. The shop said they could put another spacer on top of the CO, but it's prob better to get the longer CO in the end. Yup, and no off-roading really so it should be ok for a while, just a rough ride. I regeared to 4.88 Nitro's. It's the only option right now for 3rd gens. I'm excited about that, I have def noticed a big change in low end power...pretty comparable to my 2nd gen on 33's (stock gears). But I think I will stick w/ the 35's, adding those 1.5-2 inches already has me feeling sky high!
     
  19. Jan 27, 2017 at 7:40 PM
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    You should probably put the spring on the other side of the mount.
     
  20. Jan 28, 2017 at 2:53 AM
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