Wyoming B.S. Thread

And he did it on a shock that could not be revalved.

 

yea. not ideal for sure in that regard. But he didn't mind it obviously.

 

And you did it without charts and graphs. Genius!

 

Sounds interesting. I would love to see what you did.

 

Yea the biggest problem is the shock bodies themselves. You'll bottom out the shock before bottoming out the bump.

Wheelers super bump kit or similar and the right amount of spacers would eliminate that though. And you'd gain down travel. At the loss of some up travel. So Net gain travel is minimal i'd say in stock locations. Its required to run 10s though if you have a lot of lift like Frank for instace. i had 8.5'' shocks and they were damn neat maxed out at ride height.

How much the springs allow the wheel to go down is totally up to the springs. Shackles will affect that a lot too. Shackles do odd things though. And i'll admit im a tad wary to do shackles on 01-04s but Mike is doing good with his. Frank's shorter leafs like the longer shackles a lot.

 

When I say as outboard as possible I mean just inboard of the frame. Going 12"s with the top mount as close to the bed as possible, and the lower mount below the axle if need be. If you design your shock setup to work for the entire vertical travel of your springs, they'll also work for articulation. Not necessarily so the other way around.

You gain downtravel and loose uptravel. Net effect zero most likely, and uptravel is more important IMO. Your main spring determines your travel numbers, and I doubt you'll even find a shock using the stock mounts and works in the usable level of travel of the spring.

 

What your model fails to account for is that the distance between the stock shock mounts at full bump is less than the collapsed length of a 10" stroke shock. You can't really use all 10" of travel with the stock mounts.

 

Oh i gottcha. yea that is a great location if you can get the geometry right.

SOA doesn't like vertical travel though is my point. You can get the axle to articulate more with flex then you can with just pure droop. If that makes sense. There isn't enough arch in SOA setups.

This Ben.

The mounts are too close.

 

Yea so instead of hitting the bump you'll be hitting the shock.

 

This. Keep in mind the collapsed length of a typical 10" shock is around 16". My 10" short bodies are around 14" and may work better in the stock location. They're free once I take them off to whoever will follow through with this experiment.

I've got some plans.

 

HOLY FUCK!!! YESSSSS!!!!

I just got the LED lights to work at the hall!!!! I AM SO STOKED!!!

 

One of two possibilities. Either your springs will be in negative arch or you will not have colapsed the shock fully. There will be exposed shaft.

 

Okay.

So most 10'' shocks are 15'' long collapased and 25'' long extended.

The distance between the stock mounts with the bumps in contact, lets say because i don't know off the top of my head, is 13''. This means that the 10'' shock with bottom out and you LOSE that 2'' of up travel. Yea you'd gain 2'' or 1.5'' over an 8-8.5'' shock of droop. But you loose up travel. So the Net gain of travel is like 1''.

Unless you're like me and don't give a fuck then slowly kill the shocks.

Shackles change this quite a bit though.

 

Well again, other factors at play to consider as well. One being will your leafs droop that much to begin with and the shackles allow it. Then there is the ride height you'll be dealing with and if you'll be in the bumps most the time.

Again, 10'' shocks work great if you have 4'' of lift. You kinda need to have 10s. But for like how Igor is and even your rig..10'' shocks would mean you'd probably have 1-2.5'' of up travel..which would ride insanely rough since even little bumps would slam the bumps.

You want to try and get your ride height in the middle of your shocks regardless of how long they are. Generally speaking. This way you have the up travel to cope with bumps and down travel to cope with holes.

 

14.21" collapsed and 24.31" extended. Still need to find the distance between the stock mounts and full bump (which will differ based on your springs) to be able to get a informative answer.




All this discussion and you guys arguing over a couple inches of droop doesn't make a bit of difference for what you do with your trucks. Up travel is where you'll see improvements in ride and performance doing anything faster than a couple miles an hour. I would never sacrifice uptravel for down.

 

Exactly. Up travel is where it's at.

Crawlers love the droop.

I have about 6'' of up travel on Frank.

like 2'' on Igor

Both truck have Super bumps and Franks have taller spacers....guess which ones rides better...

 

wtf..the first PN says 7.9'' the second is 8.6'' haha almost an inch different.

Droop would be a touch more but not a lot.

And you need to buy a new locker? Thought you fixed it.

 

A new Toyota unit is cheaper? Wow.

And they are different because the passenger side stock mount is smaller. Due to the gas tank and it's forward angle. Most are .5" different though not 1"

 

The stock mounts are different distances side to side. Just another reason why it makes no sense to use them when trying to maximize travel.

 

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