Norcal Spotted and BS Thread

my class trainer told us "you're already on trial for shooting someone, i dont think the biggest worry should be if you swapped a trigger on it".

 

You guys are expecting again, right?!? When's the date?

Two is no joke, but awesome at the same time. Settling into a routine of something constantly needs doing... but I'm just so god damn proud of my family

 

August 16.

Isabella turns 2 on July 30.

 

Most if not all, do not allow any modifications to the trigger. You can add lights and lasers with no problem. Trigger has to be as it came from the manufacturer for CCW purposes.

Its not that there is any legal precedence, just need to keep in mind that the prosecutor will use anything to convict you and sway the jury.

 

I actually think there is a case there... but its 50/50 in my opinion. The court of a law can be a great thing, but can also be a perfect place for criminals to win cases and get some cash. I have heard of people being convicted of crimes because of the modifications done to their guns. Take it like this.... a jury gets presented with two different cases of CCW permit holders who shot and killed someone(unfortunately) trying to defend themselves. The first guy has a standard Glock 19 with no mods, and the other guy has a Glock 19 with an enhanced trigger, upgraded sights, and a Grim Reaper back plate on it. Even though some of us understand people like to customize their shit and have fun with their guns, the jury/judge/prosecutor probably wouldn't understand that, and assume the upgrades were a sign that the CCW permit holder had an intent to kill.... waiting for the right time to do it. Legitimate case in my opinion.

 

100 percent.

 

Dual seat mod ftw



I'm sticking with one tho, personally...he's a handful already

 

I totally disagree with your trainer. Because the whole basis of the case would be examined, not just you "shooting someone." The prosecutor would be looking for ANYTHING to convict you. With that attitude, a guy like him would have a hard time winning a big case like that, imagining him having a totally tricked out CC firearm. lol

 

Aug.16 is Bennett's birthday!

 

Sure.

But that went from a trigger mod to a Grim Reaper backing plate which is entirely different and makes someone look entirely different.

I can't CCW in Sonoma County, so I don't know what the fine print reads, but I can't see a realistic argument that a person legally licensed to carry a weapon cannot take an off the shelf weapon, personalize it so they're able to use it effectively as possible if the time comes to defend a life, and then be a murderer for it.

A lawyer, under that same concept, could argue that you shooting 1k rounds a month at the local range with your carry weapon was you practicing to be a murderer and shooting to kill instead of shooting to subdue, because you're on video taking COM shots at the range.

 

I know a lot of people who modify their CC gun. I personally dont see the problem with it, i also wont be playing the fear game on my end about it.

Personal comfort i guess.

 

Anyone want to trade an off roster like new shield for a Glock 43?

 

Are CCW holders protected from civil suits in California from the families of the deceased?

I don't believe every CCW use results in a criminal trial. So far as I have been told, the investigation takes place, your weapon is taken for evidence, if everything at the end is found to be wholly justified and you have zero wrongdoing or questionable statements/history then your weapon is free to pick up (if they can find it..) and you go about your life as best you can after that situation.

I don't believe for a second that a legally provided CCW weapon can't be used
without a criminal trial, and going off of memory, we are shielded from civil suits in CA.

To be fair, I could be mixing that up with the laws of another state I lived in.

 

Yeah you are right on that one. It comes down to comfort levels and how much someone is willing to risk to have a cooler, or more comfortable firearm. Me personally, I don't want to leave ANY gap in the story lines or evidence if it meant I could be sent to prison or maybe worse. "I would rather be sentenced by 12, than carried by 6" is a great quote, but im still cautious about the after-effects of something like having to shoot someone.

 

This is reminding me of the Glock "NY trigger" nonsense.

 

It's a mofo great birfday. It's my birfday!

 

It can go both ways, I absolutely agree. I guess where I am coming from is; leave no doubt. Also, like Sccafire said, I think most counties rule sights and accessories ok, but not trigger enhancements.

 

Im not 100 percent sure on this either..... but I do know that CA is more strict than most states. I remember when I was training to get my CCW permit, the instructor told us that in CA there isn't much room for justifiable shootings and you are basically treated like a criminal unless proven otherwise. Also, IIRC, CA doesn't register the "stand your ground law" as much as other states. It can be a a blurred line when it comes to specific cases. Could be wrong though...

 

You're treated as a suspect in a shooting until proven otherwise.

You're not arrested. You're detained (not always) for questioning and to make your statements and be interviewed.

I've known several people who have used their carry weapons in a fatal situation when defense of safety was completely transparent and none of them were ever arrested, had any charges filed against them, or were otherwise treated as anything other than a licensed citizen in a horrible situation.

Have you guys seen body cam footage of a police officer firing a fatal bullet? They're immediately taken away from the victim and asked repeatedly how they're doing, if they're okay, are often crying and questioning/justifying to their own mental and emotional states that they didn't have any other choice.

A privately armed citizen in the same situation doesn't suffer much differently, and they're not treated as criminals until they are criminals.

Never experienced it first hand (came close), but have close family friends who have and this is my experience with them, anyway.

Don't mean to sound like a prick, just get triggered sometimes.
















Anyone????

 

I see what you did there