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5100 + 120# up front

Discussion in '4 Cylinder' started by tpotnoc, Mar 20, 2017.

  1. Mar 21, 2017 at 3:01 PM
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    I don't want any rake with with my stock TSB rearend. I just want it to sit level after I put my winch on. I don't have a V6 so I don't have the extra engine weight up front. @HeadStrong Off-Road chime in
    Are the Billy's a little stiffer than stock? I'm hoping to reduce the wild bounce off-road. Need it
    More controlled.
    Really hoping 884s set with 0 Billy's do the trick.
    Also, I've heard good things about 5100s in the rear. I'm trying to keep my rear axle planted best I can. Any further opinions are welcome
     
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  2. Mar 21, 2017 at 3:04 PM
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    Correct, like I said maybe headstrong will chime in and correct me if I'm wrong but I am pretty confident that it will set you level after the added weight.
     
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  3. Mar 21, 2017 at 3:07 PM
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    :rolleyes:
     
  4. Mar 21, 2017 at 3:55 PM
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    I'm assuming the stock SR5 Springs wouldn't hold up well with the additional weight and set at 1.75. That's why I began considering the OMEs.
    Just want it to hold up welll for on and off-road use even under added weight
     
  5. Mar 21, 2017 at 3:57 PM
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    They'd be fine. Stiffer than OME would be.

    Your long term plans though are to keep the rear end stock?
     
  6. Mar 21, 2017 at 5:30 PM
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    I'm not sure. If I had an AAL it would bring my backend up again and I'm worried about the rake. I'm not really trying to get lift, but God knows that may change.

    Por que
     
  7. Mar 22, 2017 at 3:57 AM
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    The 2.7 is a cast iron block and the 4.0 is an aluminium block. Weight of the two engines is close to the same.
     
  8. Mar 22, 2017 at 5:43 PM
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    The 884's will provide around 2" of lift on an 05-15 4dr 4wd V6 automatic and the 885's will provide approx. 2.5" of lift on the the same trim of truck. If you have a trim different from that (2wd, access cab, 4cyl) your truck is lighter. Most people see around 1/4"-1/2" more lift from the coils then what is spec'd out. Now the additional weight will affect the lift height seen, by exactly how much is hard to say since there are other factors like manufacturing tolerances within the springs themselves which can influence lift heights. In your case the 120lbs can offset much of the difference of you being a 2wd 4cyl. The other thing is that the winch/bumper are direct up front weight so that factors in as well. I would say you would see a similar amount of lift height as a 05-15 4dr 4wd V6 automatic would from any of the coils, again hard to say with 100% certainty though.
     
  9. Mar 22, 2017 at 7:32 PM
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    Man I'm really worried about sitting nose high after the 884s. I always have my 50# gear box in the bed, and imagine how low it'll sag when I load the bed for camping.
    If I was at 2" height increase after the winch and bumper, I'd imagine ill be nose-high because most people are getting level with Billy's set at 1.75.
    I guess if worse comes to
    Worse, it will be time for a 1.5 AAL. The plot thickens.
     
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  10. Mar 22, 2017 at 9:36 PM
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    Did you already order 884?
     
  11. Mar 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM
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    Negative. Still sorting this all out.
     
  12. Mar 23, 2017 at 12:49 PM
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    Have you looked in the 2.7l thread surely one of those guys know or could point you in the right direction
     
  13. Mar 23, 2017 at 2:22 PM
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    Is that not where this post is currently?
     
  14. Mar 23, 2017 at 2:26 PM
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    Cuz I can't really see a Prerunner with a winch staying at stock height forever, and I'd hate for you to buy a coil setup for a stock rear and then in a few months or a year down the road it isn't enough for you anymore and you want to modify the rear.

    I ran 5100s at .85 and at 1.75 with stock coils and a 1.5" 3 leaf progressive AAL before the OME setup pictured above, and didn't have any complaints outside of load carrying. Factory leafs, even with the AAL weren't enough for me to not drag ass around, especially after I added the shell.

    If it were me, I'd go with 884s and a small 1-1.5" AAL in the rear, and if for some reason you needed to adjust the front end a little, you can toss a small top plate spacer up front like I did. But, I think you'd be happy with that setup overall.. if you really have zero interest in raising the rear, then I'd probably consider an 883 coil instead of the 884s.
     
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  15. Mar 23, 2017 at 2:27 PM
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    SICK I'll look through it and ask! Thanks bud
     
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    Regular cab suspensions have nothing to do with a DCSB.. @justinalldredge19

    Smallest configuration vs largest configuration, in regards to 2.7 drivetrains.

    IIRC a stock 2.7 DCSB Prerunner is comparable in weight to an AC 4x4 V6, for what it's worth OP.
     
  18. Mar 23, 2017 at 2:28 PM
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    I know, I posted wrong link. Then deleted it. But I guess not in time.
     
  19. Mar 23, 2017 at 2:29 PM
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    Yeah I've been looking into AALs. God it never ends...
    Appreciate the insight, you're probably right. I can't stand the thought of nose-high so I'll probably look into that.
    Thinking of adding the winch first to see how it affect ride height, then go from there.
     
  20. Mar 23, 2017 at 2:32 PM
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    The thing you'll have to remember is the 2.7 is super uncommon in your configuration, and it's going to be an elephant in the room until you bolt something on and see how it sits.

    I went to .85 on stock coils with 5100s, and I got 1.5" of lift out of it. Totally unexpected, but I planned for a rear lift anyway so it didn't cause a problem - just a challenge. For that matter, later when I went to 1.75 setting, I expected to see a similar response - but I only gained 1/4" of extra height.

    From what I can recall, there's maybe 10 guys on the forum with the DCSB Prerunner with a 2.7, and half of them have been totaled or sold, so there's not much of a resource to pull info from - if you want to keep the stock rear there's going to be some guess work involved.

    I still think the 883 might be your best option for a stock rear, I think it's around 1.5" on a second gen DCSB (the 883 is a first gen Tacoma coil), add your new weight up front to that amount of lift, and I think you'll maybe see 1/2" of difference, if that. Again.. it's a guessing game.

    I went through the same shit every time I changed suspensions (3 times..). Nothing was predictable.
     

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