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Mobtown Offroad 2016+ Toyota Tacoma Rear Plate Bumper

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tacoma Parts Marketplace (2016-2023)' started by Mobtown Offroad, Nov 10, 2016.

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Would you buy our bumper is the Back Up Sensors work but the BSM does not?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Mar 27, 2017 at 9:43 PM
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    It sees cars approaching when you back out of a parking space. Useful when the speeding driver can't be bothered to stop texting with one hand and hold a Starbucks in the other one and doesn't let you back out.
     
  2. Mar 28, 2017 at 12:08 AM
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    I back into parking spots to avoid this issue altogether. This was an issue for people driving trucks long before there was texting and Starbucks.
     
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  3. Mar 28, 2017 at 4:33 AM
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    @Fire Arrow excatly. But also if backing out and your looking one way and it's clear. Then look the other way and its clear. Now backing out and all of a sudden a car comes and u don't see it it warns u with quick beeps. You can only look to each side so fast. I only had it go off a few times but I don't depend on it.
     
  4. Mar 28, 2017 at 5:31 AM
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    I know a lot of people with the tech package. Most of them that I've talked to about bumpers all have said they would love to get a bumper but not if they lose an option they paid for. I feel the same way. Although I don't use it often, I do not want to lose the functionality of an option I paid for. Especially when there is at least one other company making a rear bumper that maintains the BSM system functionality (even if it only covers the BSM sensor with plastic. At that point, if it gets damaged off-roading, that's on the owner for taking a ~$38k truck in the woods)
     
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  5. Mar 28, 2017 at 5:34 AM
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    Back into parking spots. It's a lot easier to see when you back in then when you back out. There's almost never anyone crossing behind you when you back in. Also, you save money because you don't need to pay for extra sensors.
     
  6. Mar 28, 2017 at 5:36 AM
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    I understand what you're saying, but by this logic, there's no point in upgrading to a new bumper. The point of the plate bumper is so you don't break it in the woods. If you can still break your "plate bumper with a plastic cover", then it kind of defeats the purpose in my mind.
     
  7. Mar 28, 2017 at 5:53 AM
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    I can't believe there's not a way to make this work. A 3x3 square cutout at the 45 turn of the bumper can't be a a huge integrity compromise for a solid bumper.
    Sure, it's a likely high engineering cost item for thing that's normally relatively simple.

    Sure, it also can be damaged if you back that 3x3 target into a pointy rock or stick, but what are the odds of that?

    You mainly been the low fender panel support to protect the rocker, hats the damage protection, and ability to carry tires and swing outs.
     
  8. Mar 28, 2017 at 6:05 AM
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    Who said there's not a way to make this work? The conversation is about compromises, which ones will be acceptable, and how popular this feature is. The last thing we what to do is spend a bunch of time making a bumper with a big ass hole in the side of it, that looks silly for 6 people that won't buy a plate bumper anyway. We are in the business of making the strongest, most over-engineered products we can think of. It also has to sell for it to be worthwhile.

    With that said, I'm not particularly blown away by the idea of cutting a hole in the side of the corner.
     
  9. Mar 28, 2017 at 6:12 AM
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    Well that's a bit confrontational...
    Of course anything can be engineered for the $. And of course unused holes in the bumper would be ridiculous.

    20 minutes of poll data are setting the perspective. 12/1 folks would not buy without the ability to use this feature.

    Have you considered make this feature a standard, and offering steel "fill plates" for those who don't want or need it?

    Certainly not the cheapest way to engineer it, but at a tradeoff of optimal flexibility.

    The rear bumper market seems to be higher $$$ than the front. I priced out a competitor fully loaded with these features, it was almost $2k. At that price point I'd expect there to be some wiggle, ability to make these kinds of features work.
     
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  10. Mar 28, 2017 at 6:31 AM
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    Does the swingout completely block the factory backup camera? Is there a way to get the tire mount offset further right so it doesnt, if it does?

    I'm shopping for a rear bumper that retains the factory license plate lighting, and would love a swingout w/can holder but they all require me to relocate the camera. I really like my backup camera because I'm a bitch that doesn't know how to back up a truck (but also because I have a softopper so my rearward visibility when backing up is already pretty bleh) and would love to not have to relocate it
     
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  11. Mar 28, 2017 at 6:35 AM
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    The tech package wasn't standard on my '16 OR.

    Also, thanks for the info on the swingout. That sounds alot better than the relocates I've seen which have put it all right next to the license plate, which is fine, until it's night and your license plate lights blind the camera...
     
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  12. Mar 28, 2017 at 6:36 AM
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    I apologize. I'm not attempting to be confrontational. Just pointing out that no one suggested it wasn't doable. We just approach the design with the mindset of making it as strong as possible and as clean looking as we can. A hole in the side of the corner doesn't fit well in either of those categories.

    That does appear to be the case.

    Yes, but would rather not. It isn't because of the $$$. Mostly because it doesn't look good. People with the BSM don't need the cover and people without BSM won't buy the bumper because of a hole in the side they don't need covered up with a plate and bolts we can't get rid of. Sounds like a good compromise, but in my experience, people just don't like it. We did this with skid plates. It wasn't popular.
    Rear bumpers are $$$ because there are so much options for them compared to front bumpers. Doesn't always translate to more profit for us. A no options rear bumper for us, is priced pretty much at cost.
     
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  13. Mar 28, 2017 at 6:40 AM
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    Cant argue with that, hell, I was shopping around for 7 months just to find an OR with 3 pedals, I just really lucked out that it didn't have any of the other crap I didn't want
     
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  14. Mar 28, 2017 at 6:47 AM
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    Speaking of options.... @Mobtown Offroad - when are you making a front bumper for the third gens?

    Cause I'm just saying, if you need a truck, I can make a trip ;)
     
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    Hey bud. It is a option on the build sheet. You can have the OR built with out the tech package. It's a 3,000.00 option.
    Now the bumper does sit pretty flush to the body. But it is plastic. I in no way wanted to upset or get things out of hand here. Just asking if it's posible. But if it's not feasible for a reasonable price, then I have to rethink. And ur right about the corner. When @HolyHandGrenade @Subway4X4 did that drop off the rock. The first thing I said was if that was stock it would've ripped right off. And that's 1,500. In sensors down the drain.
     
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    There isn't a light on the dash. It's in the side mirrors. I can attempt to unplug the 2 bsm and see if the light stays on. If so see if there's a fuse that just works the lights in the mirror.
     
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  17. Mar 28, 2017 at 7:00 AM
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    Let's say we get rid of the BSM will the backup sensors still be there and usable?
     
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  18. Mar 28, 2017 at 7:54 AM
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    It is basically designed at this point. Adding some personal touches and styling right now. All the important stuff is done though.
     
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    Well if you decide to make that Baja version, the offer of 'please take my truck and make it look amazing' still stands
     
  20. Mar 28, 2017 at 9:20 AM
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    I'm sorry for any confusion. I didn't mean the stock plastic bumper corners. I meant having a square hole cut in the corner of the steel plate bumper and having a small plastic cover over the sensor so the sensor still works. You can reinforce that corner so it will still provide protection for drops like the video shows, but also still allows for the sensor to work. Only downside is if you hit a freak rock or stick pointing in the perfect spot. But that is always a concern on the entire vehicle. Just my 2 cents.
     

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