I drove the TRD Pro Today...but that Market Adjustment?!

I'm just making excuses because I can't afford one...but going the route I've gone with my truck I would still never get a pro. Built not bought Me thinks is how the phrase goes? Because I'd want the ability to build it the way I wanted and the intended use. I have no need for seat heaters and a sun roof or rebranded fox shocks made in a Tacoma factory. I guess the real jist of it all is that I've read/seen guys do a lot more with a lot less off the lot. And the pro is nice sure it's capable like an OR, but only to a certain extent.

 

Quick question on the seat covers... would they go over the Limited brown piece of shits?

I would like a silver limited 4x4 but can't stand the fact black isn't offered as the interior color.

 

Higher percentage? Did you look the 2nd gen market? Pros and bajas don't fetch any higher of a percentage of initial msrp than the trds do. It's not a collectors item, they'll keep making more, the value in the pro is for the guy who wants a loaded tacoma with a better factory installed off-road suspension. Doesn't make it a bad choice, they are still a great option.

 

The TRD Pro is a joke...for what you get at what price you would be better off with the Off Road. That truck...at a minimum should have 50-100 more HP and even better suspension (1-3" adjustable lift) then the limp Fox setup for what you are paying for it. I know the Bro's will be like it's in the emblems and wheels that set it apart. For the price the Raptor smokes it every day hate to say.

 

Yep- the dealer I was shopping just took in a 2015 inferno Pro. Basically 3k less than sticker. The limited release, limited color, and factory enhancement may not make it a collectible, but should make it stronger than average resale.

 

Hahaha - a similarly equipped Raptor is like $20k more if you add the (other than the drivetrain) features of the Pro.

 

That's pretty close to/about the same percentage wise as what you would get trade for a 15 TRD original msrp speaking. My 15 was $34k msrp (didn't pay that)I got $31k for it in June. I also work at an auto auction part time, trd and above, all fetch about the same percentage wise of original Msrp, there is literally no benefit if only a small insignificant fraction when it comes to residual value between the two. In fact a 15 pro would actually be the most likely to hold higher in value as it's the only 2nd gen pro and rare in that aspect. There will be more 3rd gen pros to come.

 

I don't even want to test drive one. Haha it would make me want to buy one and my bank account doesn't work like that!

 

Right- so the Pro is likely overpriced, but probabilsitcally I'll get most of it back if I take care of it at resale. Sounds like we're in agreement... and because of that, I don't think it's a bad deal relatively, especially when benchmarked against a tricked out OR, where you seldom get the modification value back.

 

That's cool, your money your decision. I love it when guys get on here and talk shit about the Pro when it's not their money being spent. My Pro is just as capable, actually more so as the OR or whatever. I can still build my Pro however I want it but I don't have time to shop it or do it myself to add every little thing. I add what I want to it when I have time (mainly armor and other shit for off roading).

This is my favorite anti Pro argument on this board. A base model 17' Raptor with absolutely nothing added is $50,500. Gtfo of here with that tired bs.

 

You alluded to the PRO getting back a higher percentage of its original value than a TRD, which is not what I've seen through my work at the auction/here/local dealers/cars.com/etc. Will you get back more than a TRD yes, but you paid more than a TRD as well, percentage wise they are pretty much the same. Again same residual value and like anything if it has the options you want/prefer than why not get a pro, but the idea it will fetch more money percentage wise of original MSRP than a TRD is wishful thinking, unless maybe you live in socal or somewhere with higher market adjustments. You can't really compare a modded OR to a PRO when it comes to residual values/resale. And yes mods don't mean crap and generally wasted money. The Pro isn't a bad deal at all. It will hold the same residual value/percentage which will be higher cause its priced higher, you also get some uniqueness and the most capable offroad setup with factory backing, but if you were to buy a stock TRD OR and Stock PRO leave both stock, at trade in both will likely fetch the same percentage of original MSRP/residual value is all. Plus why not, same can be said for guys that buy fully loaded King Ranch F150s, etc.

 

Holy crap there is some ridiculous statements made in this thread. A PRO is not 15k over a similarly equipped OR, and if you can get OR for 36k out the door then I'm happy for you, but thats not going to be the case most of the time. I'm not blind i've seen stickers for ORs at the dealers for 38K, thats before taxes, fees and all the other BS, thats a 40k truck out the door, a PRO can be 43k truck out the door, I bought my pro with about 1800 less thats what was offered, and I was negotiating a trade in price which was the out the door price for me. So real difference between OR and PRO for me personally was justifiable, about 4k. And no I couldn't make an OR look like a PRO with 4k, not even close.

This whole argument of how its more practical to buy a cheaper trim level truck and build it up to be same or even better, is good on paper, but doesn't work like that in real life. Why? Because i've done that with a 2015 SR5 4x4, I bough the truck new for 32k out the door and made it look like a TRD PRO, it took me roughly 7k over a year and half period, the SR5 was pretty much a PRO just without a locker and interior features. I was actually able to save some of that money as I had my wheel/tire and predator step bars transferred to my PRO.

Buying a cheaper truck and building it up is ONLY practical if you are keeping the truck for a long time 5+ 10years or till 200k+ miles, hell for life basically. Otherwise lets start that you are risking voiding your warranty on your brand new truck, if you going to trade in the truck planned or unplanned within 3 years, notice I said unplanned because life happens, well guess what all your cool mods, hours of labor that went in to install them, hours of research online and waiting for mail, all of that just went to waste. Unparting and selling mods you say? Well I hope you kept your stock parts and thats more days and hours of labor of turning the truck back to stock. And if you're buying a new car unplanned do you got the time, days/months to turn your broed out truck to stock to sell it? And some mods require modifications, cutting, drilling where you can't go back to stock like bumber LEDs for example. Selling truck modded you will never get the price for the mods back, you can try like most people do marking up their old trucks to brand new prices. But thats the thing people would rather pay for a brand new truck with warranty then your modded and possibly abused truck. Plus things like wear and tear on stock components from your mods, reliability issues. All of this adds up and ends being more then buy a fully packaged truck. And I don't want a badass PROesque OR months or year from now, I like that I can enjoy it right now straight out of the box. Thats why raptor is great as well, one package deal. Yes the PRO has a very comfortable ride, how would you replicate that in OR, yes you can by 3.5k worth of suspension, butnot a lot of people have the luxury to testing it out and feeling the ride for example, its a pain in the ass.

My point is its always, always, always better to buy a complete package from the factory, its better for reliability, better resale and peace of mind. I'm talking about all the manufacturers that offer specialty vehicles. Dealers marking them up to ridiculous amount is stupid i agree, but if you can get a good deal its not a bad trade off paying those extra 2-3k. I would bet there are similar threads on the F150 forum which they might have a right to complain since raptors got for 65k minimum with a 53k msrp. And I would bet once the pricing for the Colorado ZR2 releases which will be more then a TRD PRO, the Colorado boys would cry snd say exactly the same stuff, you can buy a base Colorado 4x4 and slap lockers on it and etc and etc. PRO overlord rant over

 

All these haters hatin.... Regardless of what ever Tacoma you have you'll mod it in some way shape or fashion.

And just to correct the original post, the color is not Concrete lol


Lastly I love my Pro, but it's in no way a Rapto nor comparable. I'm honored just to be compared to it, now that says something. That being said I wouldn't buy one, it's just not me.

 

My girlfriend is picking up her TRD Pro 4Runner in 4 more weeks. She got the invoice (she called it Vspec?) today and there is no mark up over msrp which surprised me because she's been on a waiting list since before Christmas lol.

 

Maybe- I'm optimistic the Pro will actually be exactly that/hold higher residual. We're talking a total of about 2000 trucks in the nation that would be of the exclusive color ilk, there's just not enough data yet. I took my dealer buddy's word, getting a pro and maintaining it well will be like "driving a free truck".

I'm not sure that's true for any Ford products.

 

Its true for a Raptor look at the values for used 1st gen raptors, 40k, 45k for 2011, thats a 6 year old truck, I would say thats great resale value. I would guess same will go for the Cements PROs, especially cement manuals will be just as hard to find as the 1st gen pros.

 

Agree on Raptors, I've not shopped them, but same principle.

Manuals have a much smaller demand segment. They are more rare for a reason.

 

Sweet story book bro. It's a good thing you had those predator steps for your unicorn. But last few pages didn't seem like pro bashing. Seemed like a bunch of opinion on why others won't go out and spend the extra 5-10kish due to supply and demand on minor features. OR has a locker but E-Locker just like the pro. Building your own and working on your own truck is kind of satisfying. My Sr5 could smoke a pro albeit when lockers go in. Then my truck would technically be more expensive than a pro with after market parts etc etc. again I think the concept/opinion that is being misconstrued by the pro guys is that the non-pro guys are saying if you're going to mod your bro pro than get a lower model and save the money for your mods up front during/after making the purchase of your Tacoma. Seems to make more sense. Unless you intend to leave stock. And as for warranty I haven't had an issue at the dealer

 

That's the point I think is being made by your so called "haters". I think it's just different crowds ya know. When the "pro" guys come in and have a chip on their shoulder cause they have a pro that's garaged and has Zero flesh wounds from wheeling. Some guys just chuckle and

 

So interesting how people perceive things differently.

Three dudes with Pros here offering logical perspectives:
Bray- stating do what makes you happy.
Me- arguing the Pro is a high cost but high ROI value (opposed to a modded SR5)
Joe- offering factual perspective on equivalence of capability.

You on the other hand offer inflammatory "bro Pro", "cool story Bro", and illogical arguments of value. Is it not completely transparent to all why there's a "hater" perspective here?