Manual transmission Fan Club and BS thread (All Generations Welcome)

Seems like the Manuals do have less issues from what l can gather.

 

I think all of us who are used to the linearity of a cable throttle have noticed both the hang and the lag. I can say the hang makes it extremely easy to downshift from 6 to 5 to 4. You barely need to blip the throttle and you'll have a smooth downshift. I'm finding the lag is esp difficult to adapt to going from 3rd to 2nd. I'm used to getting a certain rev response to a certain throttle imput and it is just not happening. 8 times out of 100, a smooth downshift but most of the time, revs not matched and you get thrown forward. My better half is starting to question my driving skills.

As far as the poor arrangements of the pedals, I've inquired at two companies who manufacture after market pedals. Being basically, cheap, I wanted to know if I could just by the gas pedal. After 2 inquiries, have not received any responses...

 

you should try a Pedal Commander. plenty of talk about it if you search. and you can get $40 off if you can find the code... i think it's in a thread titled "Pedal Commander, does it work?"

 

Excellent way to burn up a clutch. When I first started driving I pulled that move at a incline stoplight. The light was red maybe a minute or two. When the light finally turned green and I pulled out there was a major burning smell. When we replaced the clutch a couple years later the pressure plate was blue from the heat!

 

Dude join the club. That is my only gripe about the truck. I love everything else. I am willing to do and pay almost anything to get that resolved.

 

I'm sorry but I'm calling BS on that. There is no way that burnt a clutch. We put 153XXX miles on that truck and the clutch was still going strong. You are putting less heat into the clutch doing this that you did to your brakes coming to a stop. You burn a clutch by slipping it at high RPM not at an idle. Something much more extreme happened that took out your clutch.

 

Is it ok for your truck if you press the clutch pedal and then feel and hear lurching from the transmission. I feel it when shifting to 2nd and sometimes 3rd if I depress the clutch quickly.

 

Dude I was not at idle. Obviously to keep the truck in a steady position on steep incline without using the brake I had to rev to 2- 3k rpm and continuously slip the clutch.

 

Since this is entirely due to programming in the ECU I suppose there is hope that an aftermarket firmware mod may be available one day to eliminate this. I looked briefly at the pedal commander on the suggestion of another member here but since it is simply a black box that connects between the pedal and the ECU, it seems to me more of a bandaid than a real fix. Not a put down to anyone who likes them, I'm just a skeptic.

 

Yea I hear ya. I've actually used the pedal commander myself and although it does have its place, it does not solve the delayed response throttle issue. I used it for awhile but ultimately returned it. I actually felt like I had less control over the throttle with it connected.

 

yeah it's a bandaid and I'm waiting for the tune from OV or whoever. it's a bandaid that allowed me to spin my rear tires with a brush of the throttle in 2nd gear and it's made my MT driving fully enjoyable again. so, be skeptical if you like but I'm not missing out on enjoying my driving.

 

What I want to know is does it eliminate the lag and rev hang that makes rev matching such a challenge? I don't need to spin my tires, but I would like to be able to downshift normally.

 

Does not eliminate lag and rev hang. It just multiples the amount of throttle you give it.

 

Well we are talking apples and oranges then. If you read my post it said using the clutch only. You will stall before you put too much heat into the clutch at an idle, but at 2-3k RPM yeah your going to cook it in no time.

 

Interesting thread. All my vehicles and future vehicles are manual. I find autos boring and overly complicated to maintain and repair.

My favorite part to a manual is when someone wants to drive and then they see the stick and they give you this lost look haha! "Hey, what's that?" Pitiful. I guess they hate to ever have to actually learn a skill. "you mean you actually have to put effort into being good at something?" The dual clutches in sports cars bother me the most. Yeah they're neat and make you fast off the line, launch control blah blah blah. But, I want to be the one doing it, not the car. People are no so reliant on technology now.

A lot of the teenagers I see are like that now. Hell, they don't even want to drive at all, to busy with their cell phones to care. Most of the teenagers on my block refuse to even drive, like they're scared of it or something. When I was that age I couldn't wait to get a car and get the heck away from my parents. Yup, I'm becoming an old fart that hates change.

 

No doubt

 

i don't need to spin my tires either, not at all why i got it, just making the point that the change it makes isn't subtle.

nothing will fix royally F'd up throttle mapping in our ECU's except a "correct" map, however you define it. so, being a bandaid, it will change everything and you'll still need to work with the odd throttle curves. I'd rather work with more throttle in my natural foot position than less like stock. the rev hang persists... it's not related to throttle position. the delay still exists but it is significantly changed with the throttle signal modulation from the Pedal Commander. to me it is a change that's a dramatic improvement. i can downshift easily and rev match in a natural foot position, speaking for myself.

all i can tell you is the PC has a 14 day return guarantee. it's worth it to me and then some. but I'm also first in line for the real deal tune if we get that lucky.

 

waitin on that OV tune myself

 

This has probably been covered a 100 times, but I haven't read anything that really says if something is wrong or not. So yesterday, I did a test drive on a 2017 TRD Off Road DC MT 4x4. When I tried to start it, it did not start the first try, and I held the key forward for a while (prob 2-3 seconds), I let off the key and it started normal. When I was driving in 2nd at low rpm it had no power a couple time. I stepped on the gas all the way and it didn't respond for probably 3-5 seconds. Is this a known thing? I dont want to buy this thing if that is the case.

 

It's weird, I test drove a new TRD 4x4 before I found a really good deal on an 09. I really felt like the new one was a dog, no offensive to 3rd gen owners. I liked the truck, but just like this, push down the pedal and nothing. It was weird. I still like them and would have bought the truck if I didn't already have a found a better deal. Just figured a new map was in order. They probably do that for fuel economy.