Manual transmission Fan Club and BS thread (All Generations Welcome)

You're having problems going into 4lo?

It happens to me once in a while, but usually because I haven't got the clutch fully mashed to the firewall

Sometimes however, it'll be stubborn and I have to give the drivetrain a little "kick" - clutch out in neutral, clutch in and immediately shift to first before the input shaft stops spinning. All done with the veh stopped of course. Works for trouble coming out of 4lo as well.

My 0.02

Frank

 

Bingo...Thanks Frank

 

Let off the throttle then depress clutch. Then it is a non issue for me.

 

agree that rev hang is a non-issue if you adapt to the motor you drive. in other words, slow down your shifting. let the hang set the pace of your clutch engagements.

i wonder if the [hopefully incoming] OV tune will change the hang.

 

I honestly don't even notice the Rev Hang any longer. When I bought my 2008 Tacoma new I noticed it for a few weeks and adjusted to and never even really thought about it since.

 

I drove a Cummins from 2001-'16 the rev hang on these is nothing compared to my 24 valve.

 

Yep, why stress, still shifts fine.

 

Sounds to me that perhaps Toyota should pay them to teach them someone. What gets me is that 4R owners have no issue with their 5 speed autos...then Toyota produces a 6 speed that is despised. What am I missing here?

 

That would be nice change for sure, but I'd be happy with a tune that just fixes the drunk AF throttle.

Frank

 

Been driving with a little more purpose the last few days. Engine shifts and performs so much better if you feed her hay. And I feel much happier. MPGs be damned.

 

If you are new to the 3.5 with MT you need to understand that this engine has a power curve like a 'hockey stick'. Translation - Most of the power is above 3500 RPM. If you want the power, you have to go there to get it. This is NOT a slow winding, long stoke, diesel...it is the opposite. In time you will, by watching the fuel flow displays, learn how to get decent mileage and acceleration. One you catch on, you will find the truck a lot of fun to drive and play with. (I've got 30,000 miles behind me)

 

I agree. Too few manuals for the high demand. I called Toyota HQ. they said it's up to each dealer to request the vehicles they expect to sell and not up to Toyota. I still feel Toyota doesn't produce even enough to meet dealer requests. We should all get together and notify Toyota HQ. like every big corporation they are bumbling. I don't know how they make money. Thus far I found all their quality noise to be just noise. Yes they make a good vehicle but stay away from Toyota dealership service departments. They are forever firing and hiring and don't know what they are doing. I spoke to a dealer owner about this after he got so many complaints. They hire kids with no experience and rely on the computer to show them how to do things. There's too much paperwork at each service. Does anyone believe the mechanics actually check all those things on the service invoice? Not at all. We need to make some noise. Dannyblues

 

You're tellin' me! Coming from a diesel I'm climbing a hill on the highway pushing the pedal in 6th watching my speed drop like a greased anvil. With the diesel it was just push the pedal but with this truck it's drop it down 2 gears. I'm not complaining, just agreeing how different this oversquare engine is if you are used to some low end grunt.

 

Indeed ! I just need to remind myself to shift down TWO...After years to only going down one.

 

I have driven nothing manuals for 18 years, and I did experience rev hang from 1 to 2 on the V6 six speed.

Not anymore though. It took me 2 weeks to acclimate to the transmission.

 

I my experience you won't feel a big pull until 3500rpm.

My first car was a Civic manual, and the Tacoma feels like that and my old MR2. Prior to my 3rd Gen MT OR, I had 2nd gen tacoma 4cyl MT. To be honest, I have done more research on the 3rd gen as compared to my 2nd gen, but I after driving 2nd gen for 10 years, I can tell you that my 2nd gen had a very different power band. I felt a lot of torque at the lower range as compared to 3rd gen. I could be very wrong about that as am I going off my own experience.

The 2017V6 feels 100% like a Japanese motor to me.

 

Thanks for your feedback. I was finally able to test drive an MT 2016 Tacoma from a used lot and understand what you and some others are saying. It's interesting to hear that your 2nd Gen 4 cyl felt more torquey vs the 3rd Gen V6. I owned a 2000 Celica MT for a while and it did make me think of that. I suspect the 4 cyl tacoma was geared very different than the 3rd gen V6.

Honestly though, with my experience with the auto trans and hearing others talk about low torque and dead zones, I was expecting worse. The drive was better than I expected, however I'm still not entirely sold yet on the MT Tacoma.

I visited Toyota and test drove the 4Runner (TRD OR) and somehow I wasn't really wowed either with the gearing and pickup. The gearing and 4.0 in the 2nd Gen Tacoma was a great pair to me.

I also test drove the Tundra (TRD OR) 5.7 L and boy does that have good pickup. Just not sold on the size and mileage.

I realize most of what I said above isn't apples to apples, but appreciate everyone's input.

 

Spot on. I average 19mpg and drive aggressive. 3k miles later and this truck shifts like butter. Dash mount cameras don't lie about body movement . Hammering 1st to second hard just takes attention. Overall it's just different than my 2nd gen 4.0 standard, but the power is deffinenlty there in a new spot .

Ps took her out this weekend for a baby stocker trip since the parts aren't in yet. What a joy. 2.1 miles, 35 min 1 way.

 

One thing that sticks in my head was climbing a steep grade with gravel and some loose rubble. Steep meaning 20 to 30 deg. Having had the auto, the truck was in 4Lo and couldn't climb with the RPM's around 2 to 2.5K. The RPM's would drop and eventually slow so much that it would shift to 1st. Being the MT has the 4.3 FD, I'd like to ask if any of you with the MT have had any concerns with climbing ability and getting the torque needed.

Perhaps I'm not that seasoned in off-roading, but I just feel that the needed torque in the low RPM's are a bit more manageable than the higher RPM's.

 

It would be very interesting and valuable if someone could post an overlay of the Torque and Power curves for the 2015 4L and 2016/17 3.5L. What you would see would be the curves are noticeably different with the 3.5 moving both to the right. If you ever had an experience driving a big truck with a diesel...You will quickly learn to drive by the tach to be able to get the maximum out of the engine. The same with this new engine. What takes getting used to is that you have to have that engine turning pretty fast to get the power out of it - Like over 3000 RPM. I submit if this was the first truck you've ever driven - you would have no comparison with anything else and would have no objections. Those with automatics I feel sorry that they have to deal with the variables that it produces.