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Diesel-gate continues... VW, Fiat-Chrysler, and now GM another victim?

Discussion in 'General Automotive' started by Toyko Joe, May 25, 2017.

  1. Jun 14, 2017 at 5:28 PM
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    Ive never had a problem with diesel and would own one with no problem. I may even eventually swap a diesel into my Jeep. But as soon as you started using words like sheeple I fugured that you had probably been drinking someones right wing kool-aid cocktail. So I did about 30 seconds worth of research and sure enough, you are missing some very important facts.

    Diesel vehicles creates nearly half of the nitrogen oxides created by US vehicles in spite of there being far fewer of them in use. And of bigger concern for me and other with lung issues is the fact that those diesel vehicles generate well over half of harmful particulates.

    And here is a list of all the apparently harmless byproducts generated by diesel combustion.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust

    Sheeple indeed.
     
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  3. Jun 15, 2017 at 4:41 AM
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    I don't think the world has quite enough lithium to convert every driver to switch over to an EV just yet. In the mean time, the diesel engine(originally designed to run on peanut oil by Mr. F. Diesel) continues to be the most efficient mode of transporting goods and services throughout the entire world.
    If the powers that be eliminate diesels, the entire food structure collapses. No tractors to grow your food, no semi trucks or ships to transport it. Can you carry 80,000 lbs of produce in the trunk of a Prius?
     
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  4. Jun 15, 2017 at 5:06 AM
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    That was the plan with the Paris Accords of which we would have been the only country to actually have had to empliment any restrictions(vs China/India).
    I agree with you about making them more efficient as more efficiency in the combustion cycle reduces the excess pollution, problem solved. A diesel hybrid is crazy efficient, hence what locomotives run on these days as well as ships/submarines.
     
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  5. Jun 15, 2017 at 5:08 AM
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    I posted some pictures in "Car Porn" a few days ago of a cool Toyota Diesel large pickup that I saw last Friday in my friend's garage.

    I think he imported it from Australia and restored it.

    IMO, Diesels for small vehicles have been dying in the USA for over 10 years.
     
  6. Jun 15, 2017 at 5:51 AM
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    Yep, I would be shocked if vw ever produced a diesel for th us market ever again, and I wouldn't blame them. This newest lawsuit against FCA can and will affect the new jeep jl diesel and several small truck offerings that are in the pipeline. I was looking forward to chance to buy a jeep rubicon turbo diesel in 2019. These lawsuits are not so much about environmental concerns as they are about using the law to gain money for the lawyers.
     
  7. Jun 15, 2017 at 7:13 AM
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    Actually... some of the most powerful freight movers are actually hybrids i.e. modern train engine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro-diesel_locomotive
     
  8. Jun 15, 2017 at 8:14 AM
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    I believe EPA has admitted to using its regulatory powers in a biased manner (helping US companies out compete foriegn companies). I remember reading about it in a Case study in college (15 years ago so I could be wrong)
     
  9. Jun 15, 2017 at 3:02 PM
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    My g/f was part of the VW "diesel-gate". In the end it worked out for her to have VW buy back her car. She stuck with VW and just went with a newer same model Jetta but turbo-gas.

    It's unfortunate though that they spun the whole diesel-gate against diesel engines in general instead of what it really was. A company cheated using the SOFTWARE of a car to say it gets better emissions than it really does. That literally could have happened to any type of car on the road these days because they all use complicated software. I liked the diesel she had, it was powerful, got great gas mileage, etc. but it sucks that the media played this out that ALL diesels are bad when it was a software cheat by one company that happened to be on a diesel car.
     
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