2017 Tacoma brakes suck?

Wait until you have to work on the drums...pain in the ass

 

I can imagine! Would I prefer rear disk? Hell yes, but I'll make do with what I have.

 

This drums vrs disks has been beaten many times around these parts. Oh and by the first sentence where you say "does anyone else think it takes a long time...?" Many folks have answered that, yet you continue to insinuate folks don't understand your question, I guess maybe you need to re ask what you want folks to answer, because by your responses, it doesn't appear any one understood your question.

 

You are an idiot. I was referring to the first line of my last post. "Last post and then I'm popping smoke". I even type "first line of THIS post" so that a reader would understand. Please stop commenting.

 

Thanks for the compliment, I will refrain from returning the favor, and as I stated my reading comprehension sucks at times, that's an effect of ADHD. And if you want me to stop commenting, stop whining about 1st world problems.

 

Oh and why did you come back? Smoke not good enough?

 

They do? Mine work great, they stop the truck when I need to
stop the truck...every time.

 

You are BIZARRE

 

ha, just read this thread.

i also come from the German cars, also with 1k lbs less and 4 disc brakes.

German cars and pickups being compared for performance...

i think i better leave now.

 

It's a truck not a BMW

 

And the moral of this story is... don't tailgate a bimmer in your taco.

Good driving advice for anyone.. know what's in front of you. If your riding the bumper of a Cayman or some other decent car in a taco, you're an idiot. If it's a loaded 18 wheeler, you can probably stop a bit faster.

 

The reasoning behind leaving the rears as drum brakes was because the designers expected people to get these things buried in mud, sand, etc. and the drum helps keep a lot of that out of the space between the pads and inner drum. This keeps some of the noise down and leaves you with brakes that don't get filled with junk if you are in that situation. You can watch the video below, skip to the 4:00 mark and the gentleman explains why they kept drums on the rear.

https://youtu.be/19BNRvuNLWE

 

ABS is supposed to prevent total loss of control due to locked up wheels sliding. The ABS causes the brakes to pulse rapidly, increasing traction by unlocking the wheels momentarily and preventing skidding. Basically you can still steer to a degree instead of instinctively jamming the brakes, locking the wheels, and skidding into whatever you were trying to stop before hitting. It doesn't necessarily stop the vehicle faster, it just gives the driver better control over the entirety of the braking distance.

 

That's BS (along with the whole seatbelt buckle bit). The 4Runner, FJ, and Land Cruiser all had crawl control years before the Tacoma, and they use rear discs. Toyota chose rear drums for the Tacoma for the same reason they chose leaf springs instead of 4-link - cost cutting.

Drums don't compromise braking performance, but they are not as good as discs for heat dissipation, so repeated use (say on a track) would cause the shoes to overheat and become less effective. I don't consider discs to be easier to maintain, since the parking brake would still be a "mini drum" assembly inside the rotor hat.

 

That's basically what was stated in the video. Discs are better for heat dissipation and since Tacomas are not intended for heavy towing or as track vehicles there is no point in adding rear discs. Does it cut costs? Yes. Does the explanation make sense? Yes. Ultimately, Toyota may have said, "we need to keep build costs down to maximize profit, because god forbid a company make a profit, so where can we do that without compromising the performance of the intended use of the vehicle?"

You sometimes have to put yourself in someone else's shoes and think about things from their perspective or else you will think the world is always out to short change you.

 

This doesn't always work out, I've seen people disabled because sand and pebbles got into drum brakes and jammed them.

 

Except when it doesn't. Tacoma ABS doesn't work very well on ice and slick snow, once it activates it doesn't apply the brakes anymore, you have to let off the brakes and apply them again. You can find many complaints about it here on Tacoma World.

I know what ABS is supposed to do, it works on dry and wet roads. On ice or slick snow you have to be very careful not to brake hard enough to activate the ABS. I'd rather be able to lock the wheels and let off the brakes to steer. This is after years of driving in snow and ice.

 

this is true. when it's wet or ice i totally change how i drive my truck, and handle it much more carefully. i find i need to modulate the brakes myself if i lose traction in those conditions. i had two close calls waiting for the ABS and it didn't get traction... like you said the system seems to just stop working after not regaining traction.

 

Yep. Tacoma is in the economy slot in the 4Runner, Tundra, Land Cruiser hierarchy.

 

It probably doesn't apply them again because it is still sensing wheel slip due to the ice/snow. After reading the quoted post I learned enough to know it's pointless to continue this conversation. It's like talking to Jeep owners that think 4wd means you can do 80mph in the snow and ice, then wonder why they wrapped their Jeep around tree or dumped it into a ditch.