Seattle couple sues Toyota over car's lost value

Fucking people.

 

A problem is 1 incident, or 1000000 incidents. Just because people didn't die or wreck doesn't mean there isn't a problem. You think they would go through the trouble to fix over 4 million vehicles for nothing? Give me a break...use your brain.

You say O, 4 people died and now there is a huge issue, that is 4 people too many. Next time i go deliver a death notification due to an accident i'll let you come along and we'll see how insignificant it is as you seem to put it since there is "no problem".

 

Skipping the single and going straight for the double:

 

Can't fix a problem that isn't there. These placebo repairs are probably going to make a lot of people feel warm and fuzzy, but there will still be cars that accelerate unusually, and people will still die.

You see, reality follows a statistical distribution. You can have the best QC in the world, and there will still be occasional faulty products.

If the incidence of fault is lower risk than the risk of normal correct use of the product (i.e., unintended acceleration is less likely to occur than a standard auto accident), then the problem de facto does not exist. It can't because the same result is more likely to occur through normal use of the product.

I am going to assume by the fact that you have a PC and internet connection and some children are starving in sub-saharan Africa right now that you value your PC and internet connection more than the lives of those children. You did not spend that money on rice for them, you spent it on your PC and internet connection.

It's ok. So do I. But spare me your holier-than-thou "1 death is 1 too many!" bullshit. You only care about people dying when it supports your argument.

 

Where have you been? The Occupied Republic of Mars? Mr. Toyoda himself sat in front of Congress and admitted to quality and safety issues and apologized profusely and promised to make it right. Unless you think that it is all a government conspiracy.

 

Hmm.. It says the class action has 100 people in, seeking potentially 5million dollars in lost value in their cars.

5million divided by 100 = 50,000

So each person is seeking 50K in damages, or is my brain fried from lack of sleep

 

You're about 48 related deaths shy.

Don't get so defensive. All of us are Toyota fanboys to some degree but I commend them for facing the music and taking the higher ground to correct the issue and not try spin it in another direction.

 

The ones that win in class action suits are the attorneys. They will see a majority of that 5 million and the remaining 1 million at the most would be split evenly amongst an evergrowing amount of people.

 

Yeah, because he was boxed into doing so. What was the alternative, the truth? That you're not allowed to be scared of this "problem" unless you're also scared of being struck by lightening?

People don't like being told they're pussies that are easily fooled. Especially by rich CEOs.

Unfortunately, most of them are.

Toyoda and Toyota have responded the way they have because it's the only way to placate the public without getting played as arrogant or elitist in the media. If they had come out and said the truth (There's no problem, everyone is a bunch of overreacting/alarmist babies) they would've been hammered as denialists/refusing to fix the problem...even though, ironically, there is nothing to address.

So essentially, they ran some numbers and picked the lowest cost option that would fake people into thinking something was being done...gas pedal replacement.

Run scared of the "sticky pedals" if you want to. But then you need to add a LONG list of things to your worries. Food poisoning kills a few thousand people in the US yearly. Do you still go out to eat?

 

The only problem is human error is harder to prove than a faulty product. The faulty product rarely talks and it rarely lies. Crash data recovered from the vehicles in question is the only way to determine human error in some of these instances.

 

Corporations and insurance companies pay very smart statisticians a lot of money to calculate the cost of issues, not what is right and wrong.

It is frequently determined paying out "x" number of lawsuits is cheaper than fixing the problem. That is exactly what is done. It is an acceptable practice in the industry.

If Mr. Toyoda issuing an apology for a problem that doesn't exist can save the company long-term expenses, that is exactly what will be done.

When there are billions of dollars on the line, no actions are made because of "moral responsibility". Moral responsibility does not pay the bills.

 

Crap stories like that are why I get a bad look from people when I tell them I'm about to go to law school.

 

42,600+ people died from auto-accidents in 2005 alone.

http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/stats.html

Do you still drive? Are you scared shitless while you do it? If you answered "no" to both questions, you are not allowed to be scared of Toyota's "acceleration problem".

If you answered "yes" to the second, I pity thee.

Doesn't matter. One occurs far more than the other with the same result. Since the results are identical, anyone who's scared of problem B before problem A is fixed is acting illogically.

The most memorable example being Ford's "Pinto Memo", indeed. And you're exactly right with all of this.

 

I didn't bother reading the above argument, but all cars lose value the second you drive off a lot. Does that mean I should be able to turn around and sue them once I get a block down the road for depreciation? Nope. I see what the people in the law suit are saying, but c'mon...give me a break. They are just more aholes exploiting the misfortunes/tragedies of others.

 

Put your aluminum foil back on your head...the aliens are watching.

Your the one that loosely said "4 people died in the runaway vehicle", i see deadly wrecks all the time and yes, 1 person is 1 too many when i have to walk up to the door and tell someones wife their husband is dead and she needs to identify the body. If someone dies driving 100 on a curvy road not wearing their seatbelt...it sucks. When someone is driving 55 and their car takes off on its own with the full family in the car....we have a problem.

I'm not sure what this or toyota has to do with starving kids in africa?

Its not my job or place to support another country or people in another country.

And you don't know me or what i care about....your an idiot.

/ end rant

 

they were the ones that bought the brand new vehicle... buy a certified used bozos haha

 

So now you're freely admitting that it only matters when people die as long as it supports your argument? That's pretty harsh.

So again, 1 death is only 1 death too many if you know them? Or if you don't like who dies?

I'm just trying to figure out these rules you've made up about which deaths matter and which don't.

I find this ironic in the extreme. It's "you're". "Your" is possessive. "You are" is contracted into "You're" with the use of an apostrophe.

Here's an example:

If you're going to call someone an idiot, you better make sure your grammar is correct.

 

Go kill yourself....thats the only way you'll escape it. The time is here and it isn't going anywhere.....seriously a lady sued mcdonalds because her coffee was hot and burned her ass.....YEARS ago. You've been supporting this for a while now.

Am i suprised someone is suing? Nope
Would i sue? Nope
Will they win the suit? Nope, odds are toyota will settle out of court. If they did go to court i wouldn't be the least bit suprised if they did win.

If someone breaks into your house....falls off your porch and breaks their leg, they can sue you and will probably win.

The court system is the reason for all this crap, if people didn't win these suits they would quit filing them.

 

It has been stated that the pen is mightier than the sword. Sir, Jandrews's pen just shoved your sword up your ass.

 

While I appreciate the...er...compliment? - That wasn't really my intention. The whole point I'm trying to make here is that this shit is some overblown media hype and that's all it's ever been.