Pathetic low end torque

Actually your numbers are just flat out made up dude. https://www.statista.com/statistics/279648/research-and-development-spending-at-toyota/
Toyota R&D according to this is just over 1000000, MILLION Japanese yen, which translates to 8 billion US dollars and some change in fiscal year 2016. That's a F***ton of money if you ask me, but idk why don't you pay the $8 billion dollar budget next year since it's chump change.
It's worth noting that Toyota of North Americas R&D budget is only a small part of the Toyota corporation R&D budget, which is what would be applicable here.

 

My numbers aren't made up. I posted my source in a thread awhile back which came from Toyota's hiring website for an engine management position for Toyota of North America. That management position stated that they would be in charged of a North American engine budget of $2.5 million (instead of $1.6 million, mea culpa) for all North American engines which is still a small amount.

 

But is that the entire scope of the project or that position's piece of the pie for engine developement?

Where does it say that amount encompasses the entire North American budget? How do you know it's the entire project? For all you know that budget might be just the operational costs / salaries of his subordinates.

You're extrapolating based on one data point.

 

The position was for a engine design senior manager which to me is up the ladder in Toyota. Especially when this position stated that they will manage and coach other engine projects and track other related projects. This position to me seems like the head honcho for Toyota of North American engine projects, especially when he had two million in budget money to manage.

 

But all that states is how much that position is responsible to manage, it does not automatically mean it's the entire budget of engine research and development .

 

I'm just stating my opinion. No other management position related to engine or power train design listed had a budget to manage besides the one I listed.

 

Ok, if you wanna waste money then be our guest.

 

But in post 177 in this thread you injected your opinion as "fact" for the R&D budget.

Like I said before, the ad only states what that position is responsible for, it in no way lists that amount as the entire budget for Toyota NA engine R&D.

 

Let me know when you find something more concrete. At least I'm posting sources you are contradicting without sources. @TheCookieMonster is contibuting something with memes and graphics at least.

 

I don't need to source as I'm not stating how much or little Toyota is spending. All I'm doing is pointing out the flaws you're putting in your sources. As long as you keep doing that you're making my job easy.

If you're going to state facts, at least take the time to make sure they're irrefutable.

 

How can you state my sources are flawed without providing sources of your own? Out of me and you, I've found an actual budget amount that's spent on North American engine design.

 

The depth of your knowledge on "actual" goes as far as your screenshot. Hate to break it to you, but you're not "in the know". Again.

 

Can you provide sources? At least to reflect your knowledge in the discussion?

 

But you insinuated it was the entire budget and it's not.

It's like the old logic exercise where you say some balls are blue, some balls are red but it is illogical to say that all balls are either blue or red as there could also be green ones, yellow ones, white..... so on and so forth.

You took one budget amount listed in your source and made the incorrect (illogical) determination that it was the entire budget.

What my source used is called is critical thinking.

 

Agreed

 

No. I can't see sourcing proof of the concept that I believe you read shit on the internet and parrot it as if you actually know what you're talking about. I don't know anything about Toyota's budget. And, neither do you. But, you have that pic. So. I mean. I GUESS you got me on that.

 

Depending on who you talk to, buying a brand new $30k+ vehicle is kind of already a "waste" of money to begin with. I'm also running out of personal leave hours to use at work with all of the time I have spent at the dealership with the truck....especially for things that still aren't fixed. Sure I will lose a few grand in the long run, big deal, not being disappointed/frustrated with what I'm driving will be worth it. Spending time/money to fix an older car you only spent maybe $8-$10k on feels a lot different than spending time/money to attempt to fix a brand new $30k vehicle.

Anyways, I won't derail the thread any further.