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The Getaway...Crom's build and adventures

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Builds (2005-2015)' started by Crom, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. Jul 13, 2017 at 4:08 PM
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    I have pouches on about half the panel, more for the top level organization of the back wall. Some stuff just has Velcro straps or is just sitting on the cab floor at the base of the storage area. One thing I've found for whatever you choose to put back there is to make sure to leave enough room to either get your fingers back there to mount stuff or to get to whatever mounting device you decide on.
    One thing I thought about was to cover a piece of plywood with cheap audio carpet (big box stuff) and create a Velcro wall. Endless possibilities and quick mount/release.
     
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  2. Jul 13, 2017 at 4:18 PM
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  3. Jul 13, 2017 at 4:45 PM
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    My idea was to include hinges at the bottom of the panels and use bolts that the top to secure them. So fold down, reconfigure, fold up, put stuff in, put seats back up to make sure they clear, etc. becomes a relatively quick process. And yes, the would need to allow some space for fastener heads protruding into the void between the panel and the wall. I guess after sound deadening, I'll see how much of that available volume is consumed by insulating materials.
     
  4. Jul 13, 2017 at 4:54 PM
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    FWIW, I didn't add the MLV and noticed considerable sound improvement- enough to make the project worth it. Given that I've only done the roof and back wall, I'd say that's pretty good. Seeing as the MLV is the thickest of all the materials, you may or may not need/want it.
    Also with that, I've been in @Crom 's truck and closing the door gives you a solid thud that you'd expect from a Maybach. Crazy quiet European luxury.
     
  5. Jul 13, 2017 at 4:55 PM
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    @scocar is finally actually talking about his build...

    ...and not doing it in his "build" thread.
     
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    @scocar @GHOST SHIP
     
  7. Jul 13, 2017 at 5:32 PM
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    :facepalm:
    After I did the leg work...
    At least now it's showing below. I wonder why it wasn't showing before. Hyperlink incompatibility?
     
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    Yeah, that is pretty much what THIS GUY VVVV said. Some of my favorite trips involve fairly long (5-6 hour) stints to the other side of the Sierra, similar to Nick's, literally humming along on Highway 395 at high speed for long periods. I'm very interested in improving overall comfort, and my hearing is getting shittier, and my little boy will be wanting to talk to us from the back seat, and it is probably one of the most sensible things to do before advancing to improving the sound system.
    Hey, GFY pal!

    Who the hell is moderating this site anyway? It's a unmitigated shit-show.
     
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  9. Jul 13, 2017 at 5:43 PM
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    Hitting the doors first might net you the biggest improvement. Secondly, it's a toss-up between back wall and roof. My roof project had a different goal (thermal insulation), but sound improvement was a pleasant and expected side-effect. IIRC, you have ST Maxx' so the highway hum will get more pronounced as they wear down (currently at about 20k on mine). If you had MTs, I'd say hit the doors then back wall and leave the roof for last. Adding the secondary door weather stripping would also help achieve a quieter cabin and rid the Tacoma Kazoo.
     
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    I've consistently heard the back wall nets the biggest benefit for deadening. Something about the added resonance between the exterior back of the cab wall and the front wall of the bed. Plus when I stick my head back between the seats when driving, it just sounds louder back there. :notsure: The doors just look to be a fiddly PITA, especially to the extent Nick did them, so I also figured the back wall would be an easier way to familiarize myself with the materials before going to town elsewhere. And when I pull all the plastic out, that will eliminate a degree of sound insulation that already exists. So....

    Thanks for all the input. This is really helpful.
     
  11. Jul 13, 2017 at 5:57 PM
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    :thumbsup:
    I will say the back wall is a prefect place to get familiar with the materials. It's the easiest to get to with the least amount of effort/disassembly and you can see what you're working on without contorting or blindly reaching in the truck's door cavities. Good luck. Feel free to reach out if you have any further questions.

    Nick has said before that he doesn't mind the cross-talk in his thread as long as it is beneficial to learning about our trucks (something like that). None of that "LOL" bullshit or useless cheesecake posts here.
     
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    I've completed the back wall on my access cab and can notice a difference. I put down Noico 157 mil first, then went over that with Noico 80 mil. Both are sound deadener, audio noise insulation, and both were self-adhesive. I'm thinking the floor is next. That's were a lot of the road noise is coming from in my opinion. After doing the back my stock stereo sound better, and It cut down some road noise.
     
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    When we caged my truck the back wall got 2 layers and the floor and roof each got 1 layer. The road noise and tire noise aren't nearly as bad. But with the cage and bypasses you still can't hear yourself talk lol
     
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    Ok, I think we can all agree that the noise is primarily coming from the sides, top, bottom, font, and back.
     
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    Yes Sir!
     
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    I was told the floor is the most important and after doing back, roof, and doors but not floor, I think this might be true. :facepalm:
     
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    Yes doing the floor of a truck/car is a huge improvement. We did our shop widebody STI with dynomat and the floor and doors made the biggest difference. The added weight to the doors and damping of the overall door itself literally changed the way the door sounded like when you closed it. It felt like a solid mercedes door instead of a crappy subaru one. After doing dynomat on the entire car the limiting factor for us was the glass - it was the only thing we couldn't touch.
     
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    think you'll ever add the HD shackle from ATO?
     
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  19. Jul 17, 2017 at 4:20 PM
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    Sorry I can't keep up... Just as things are starting to stabilize for me, I now find myself very deep into the process of separating from my employer of 13 years. Just gave 4-weeks notice! Holy God! Thankfully, I'm moving on to better things!

    So back to truck building... Lots of good advice on the sound proofing dropped in here last few days. Great!!!

    This weekend I decided to wash the 2mm of accumulated dust off my Tacoma and clear out the cob webs. Mother nature was trying to reclaim the truck! :laugh: After washing I took my kids on a local adventure up to a mountain top and it was fun, even if it was short.

    While I was washing the truck, I did this short video to illustrate the sound proofing qualities of the doors.

    Turn up your sound and listen!

    https://youtu.be/JbXiK1FWsX4

    For sound proofing, the truck you'll get the best bang for the buck by doing the doors first. There is nothing in there! Just a big tin can! :) The back wall has seats at least, and the floor has some insulation and carpet. I mean if your going to do the whole truck, then it doesn't matter, but if you had to set priorities, I would do: Doors, back wall, floor and then roof. Floor and roof are kind of a toss up. If you got wind noise due to roof rack, then roof maybe goes before floor. But the tire noise comes through the floor too. I never got around to doing the floor in my rig, and I don't think I will. I'm quite pleased with the results thus far.

    If you have mud terrains, and you sound proof your truck you'll be amazed at the difference. This has been one of my favorite mods to date, because its the mod that pays you back every time your rig is rolling!

    I give a lot of credit to this site for helping me learn about noise abatement in automobiles : https://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/
     
  20. Jul 17, 2017 at 4:43 PM
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    Wow, that's some big life stuff. Good luck on the new adventure.

    I've been at my current place 15 years in April. And I barely made that. The work stuff may be taking a turn for the better, so now I can just focus on selling the old house, fixing up the new place, potty training the wee lad, hoping my dad does not get his drivers license back, etc. etc. etc.

    Good news: about to take Bennett on his first camping trip. EVER. I feel so rusty.

    Awesome vid! Thanks for taking the time to post that.

    I still can't believe you didn't provide extensive before-and-after interior db readings and videos from each seat position as you progressed through your soundproofing. You are seriously slipping on your writeups, Nick.

    I know it will make a huge difference, but I think I look at your door job and just get overwhelmed. I bet if did half of that I bet it would be a massive improvement.

    Despite how many people say the Cooper ST maxx are "quiet" for an AT, they still make quite a bit of sound in my book. I think the floor would help.

    And I can wait for the roof until after I get the Prinsu on and see how that effects things.

    Right now, I am just having trouble finding time to do things like rotate my tires! Usually I just do it at the oil change. Even that ran long with the house moving and longer commute. Once the old house is sold and the FIL is back and in town for good in his new house, it should really free up some time for me.
     
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