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LBJ Failure

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by time623, Aug 21, 2017.

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  1. Aug 21, 2017 at 7:40 PM
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    Great way to start off the first full week of classes, can only be thankful I was going slow on a side street, not on a highway. Especially since I've been making a 60 mile highway commute every week this month.

    Already got it towed to a shop, don't have time for fixing this with class. Anyone know if the differential was likely to be damaged in this? Looked like the CV got ripped out of the diff as the tire collapsed..

    Also..Dont mind the awful tire wear.. Alignment and new tires were coming very soon haha

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  2. Aug 21, 2017 at 7:48 PM
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    damn - glad nobody was hurt. sucks.
     
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  3. Aug 21, 2017 at 8:37 PM
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    How many miles are on the truck? Did you hit a pot hole or anything? That's one of my worst fears in my 98, I plan on doing mine when I finally save up enough for new shocks ( so close one or two more paychecks!)
     
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  4. Aug 21, 2017 at 8:41 PM
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    245k miles, no pot holes or anything.. Was approaching an intersection going maybe 5-8 mph on a flat road and it just collapsed.
     
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  5. Aug 21, 2017 at 8:45 PM
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    Wow that's terrible, I'm glad that the conditions posed little threat to injury and I hope you/ everyone is okay.
     
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  6. Aug 21, 2017 at 8:52 PM
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    Quite happy you are OK.

    From your thread title "LBJ Failure" I thought you were talking about the Great Society...
     
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  7. Aug 22, 2017 at 8:21 AM
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    Seen this happen time and time again. And that's a LOT of miles on the original LBJ. These OEM LBJs can last a long time, but you should really be changing them out every 100k. It's actually quite easy to do, you can rent a tie rod and pitman arm puller from auto parts stores for free. All you need are about an hour or so of free time. MAKE SURE the shop replacing your LBJs use OEM parts, and you should just need a new CV at a minimum (I would recommend a Napa Lifetime CV to save some coin). Maybe a new diff seal on that side as well.
     
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  8. Aug 22, 2017 at 8:49 AM
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  9. Aug 22, 2017 at 2:30 PM
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    Does that apply for all Gen 1?
     
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  10. Aug 22, 2017 at 2:33 PM
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    Everything other than oem is garbage
     
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    Glad you're okay. I'd wager a bet that your alignment was so off because the ball joint wasn't functioning properly, surely there must have been warning signs? Popping sounds when turning, steering not acting right (wanting to pull it's own way), etc.? Unfortunately, this is one of those things that us 1st gen owners have to be diligent on (checking the LBJs) regularly.
     
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  12. Aug 22, 2017 at 5:21 PM
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    What is the method for "checking?"
     
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  13. Aug 22, 2017 at 5:27 PM
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    Here's one way. Although toyota's measurement for unacceptable free play is almost impossible to see. This is a LOT of play.
    https://youtu.be/hBbCVirmQ44
     
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    So what is happening there?

    Use jack to lift truck and then put hands on wheels and move it around?
     
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  15. Aug 22, 2017 at 5:29 PM
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    The method @thunderone posted above is the same link I usually refer people to. You don't have to have your truck on a lift, you can just jack up one side at a time using your bottle jack.
     
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    Yes. You could also put a large pry bar between the lower control arm and the ball joint bolts, pry up and look for play. I cant find a video of this anymore. Driving me crazy. It was at a Toyota dealership and one of the service guys was talking about it. I just can't find the video. I would prefer to do it this way as opposed to the tire shake test.
     
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    There were no sounds or anything. I might have noticed my steering not acting right, if my power steering wasnt already going out. Shop already told me I needed a new rack and pinion, so I might have just associated any problems arising from the ball joint to the rack and pinion...
     
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    Found the other video! See below.

     
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  19. Aug 22, 2017 at 9:07 PM
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    Thank you SO much !!!!!

    Vehicle has to be on lift to do it or can I try it on the ground ?
     
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    Maybe that's why the tire was wearing unevenly?
     
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