Creationism vs. Evolution

In those times they were immaculate conceptions. We've evolved from that (and 800 year lifetimes).

 

Holy shit did you just say that the faithful CAN'T commit incest? fucking priceless!

 

No no no you have to change the rules or the story doesn't make sense. It's cool God is infallable so he can make up the rules as he goes along.

 

I don't think I disagreed with the fact that their siblings were intermarrying. What I dispute is that the text implies Adam had sex with anyone but Eve.

 

haha....you said 'banging'................again...........come on hodge, you're trying to sway the crowd with drama.........you are very smart and understand the Bible more than you lead on. You aren't trickin' me.

excellent post monkey man, no pun intended I'm just too lazy to reply to most of these posts anymore. It's becoming so redundant. I gaurantee your friend who has his Ph. D in Biophysics will get no credit in a thread like this and he is the one who is educated more than most....again, excellent responses. And yes the bump on the whale is nothing more than possibly even a 400 pound 'pimple'.

 

We have alien DNA pure and simple.

There is no missing link because it does not exist.

Natural Selection and "evolution" are natural cycles.

In our case, our genetic advancement is due to genomic manipulation from outsiders.

Or that could be BS, just check out Sitchen's work in researching the ancient Sumerians. They were the first advanced civilization on earth, nearly all the bible stories stem from their creation tales. They claim that we are all in essence, children of the stars.

 

Is evolution really that big of a hurdle? If you're stupid, defective, or ill-equipped for your natural environment, you die. Plain and simple. If you're just right, you live. If you have a genetic mutation that gives you an advantage, you thrive and eventually breed out the less suited. Extrapolate that over billions of years. You refuse to accept the timeline therefore the results cannot happen. Once the fundamental building block of DNA was established, change is easy. Slightly alter the chemical order and you have wildly different results. It took billions of years for DNA to spontaneously generate in a form stable enough to not fall apart. After that evolutionary changes happened dramatically.

I mean intelligent design fills in the gaps in evolution with religious non-sense but at least it holds same basis in scientific fact.

Every religious argument, and I'm not stating specifically Christianity, seems to go back to the argument that doctrine states X which was true once, therefore Y and Z are also true because doctrine was correct for X. The accension of an influential individual amung a population of deprived and uninspired (an event pretty common in human history) does not prove a diety made all that there is in a week. I can't get my head around someone logically making that leap.

Science stated the Earth was the center of the universe, but science was wrong once, therefore science will always be wrong. Right? Nevermind that science disproved itself and expanded based on new ideas, instead of those suggested under different circumstances thousands of years ago.

Organized religion is the most stubborn and unwaiverable hinderance to human development ever. The flat out refusal to accept new ideas because they disagree with a book. If they are forced on you with a sound argument based on physical evidence then they will be contorted until they fit within the books guidelines and any facts that can't be made to fit are dismissed. I can't get things ass backwards enough to make that world view fit.

And that's not even getting into the social and societal interactions that result from that contorted world view...

 

did you know there are more manuscripts of people saying they saw the crucifixion and the resserection of jesus christ than there are manuscripts supporting the ancient romans and gladiators. So we believe in gladiators only because of the ancient manuscripts so why would you not believe in god when there are more manuscripts supporting his life?If you dont believe me google manuscripts supporting jesus christ

 

The burden of proof is on you, killer. Show me anything that can produce an archeological record of the crucifiction vs the colliseum that's still standing and all the historical evidence supporting all facets of the gladiator events. That's the most outrageous thing in this thread in the past 2 days. It flat out beats boney whale pimples.

 

The Bible makes no statement that Adam had relations with his children. It's not uncommon for the Bible to show the misdeeds of those in it (e.g Lot and his daughters, King David and Bathsheba, Jacob). There is no Biblical reason to assume otherwise.

Many would disagree with you that the Bible is not a history book. Many archeological discoveries were stated to have existed in the Bible before they were discovered (e.g. Ninevah or Ur of the Chaldeans). Just in the telling of certain stories with certain characters in certain places, it does offer insight to historians, whether or not they accept its supernatural statements.

 

First off I've been following this for the last few days and need to make some much needed correction so some people won't look quite so uneducated about a lot of the things they think they know about.

First-Evolution has NOTHING to do with were we came from. Creating life from inorganic matter is called abiogenisis not evolution. Evolution simple put is if two animals living in an environment the one that adapts best will thrive while the other one dies out. It's called allopatric speciation.

Second- NO SCIENTIST EVER SAID WE CAME FROM MONKEYS!!! We share a common ancestor like dolphins and dogs. They don't look alike or even live in the same environments but they share the same ancestors. That is why some dolphins are born with vestigial hind legs because they still have atavistic genes from being land dwelling quadrupeds. We also have vestigial or rudimentary organs but I'll let y'all do the leg work on that.

Last- if you don't know term like genetic radiation, allopatric speciation, adavistism, vestigiality and others then you need to read a science book before you saying silly stuff you heard in bible school. I'm not taking a side on this but people are disusing things as though they know something for a fact when they have no idea what they are talking about.

Just remember 700 years ago a majority of people knew the earth was the center of the universe cause the bible said so.
500 years ago people knew that the earth was flat once again because the bible said so.
Just goes to show just because you believe it doesn't make it so.

 

Yes and no on that one.
The reason that we don't have a "missing link" is because ALL fossils are missing links. If I took out all of the pictures of me from birth till my last (38th) birthday then told you to pic the one where I changed from an infant to a man you couldn't because there are gradual changes every day that go unnoticed. That's why it takes thousands of years to change and adapt to an ecosystem. Animals such as Tiktaalik are links of animals transferring from one ecosystem to another and evolving or adapting to survive.

 

glad you decided to stop by Ty!

quick question, which/what 'bible' are you referring too, and could you give us a link or passage that supports your claims? Thanks.

since you've read through this thread you have probably seen my previous posts several pages back that asked a few questions, nobody else replied to them in any depth so maybe you could help. What is your take on where the first single cell came from?

 

just to go back and revisit this for a moment, would this not be the case for any belief/theory that has a definitive beginning? If evolution goes back to a single cell, wouldn't the population be starting off with, say, just a few to populate the earth at some point?

 

I find it interesting that Darwin, "creator" of the "THEORY"(not fact) of evolution married his cousin...seeing how science was much less understood when he went to an island and came up w/ some of his ideas, I've yet to see any real proof today of the theory relating to fact...Hitler strove to create a superior race, didn't happen...no one really knows if stuff is millions or billions of years old; carbon dating is not an exact science, and nuclear detonations/testing accelerates a lot of previous notions...breed the best of the best, and you still have inferior animals/humans...I have no trouble w/ science and enjoy the benefits of all that has been done to help us, but it easier for me to believe what the Bible states as to creation, due to the fact I couldn't disprove it as hard and as much as I had tried, verses the theories of how we "might" have arrived here, etc. Had there been hard facts proving evolution etc, that would be where I'd possibly be at the present...I do believe that things adapt and evolve w/in their respective genus, but hold to the biblical teachings of creation and the plight of mankind in general. Can't "prove" the Bible, and won't try to but amazingly it's the best selling book in history, and I would suggest at least giving it a shot before casting it out as nonsense; I've been on both sides of the fence, and now prefer the side I'm on presently.

*Read in the paper recently that some fossils found in a quarry in China had front appendages that allowed them to walk on land for brief periods of time; the arch. dudes see a link between leaving the h2o and walking upright; I see it as a form of fish/amphibian that can do that today, walking catfish etc...should be interesting at the office Monday, some pals and a couple of us square off often regarding these topics, respectfully of course!

 

I agree. Plus you know that when Darwin died he renounced his ideas as fiction, (no science book will tell you that). I have a book called "And God created Darwin" Fascinating book that speaks volumes into his research and disproves it as evolution. All his birds, were still birds.

 

The best thing about my bible, it tells us the geneology from adam all the way up. it tell you names and the years they lived. You can track it all the way up to Christs death. So you know exactly who begat who. And shows if/when incest occurred.

I would love to see where the bible says that the earth is the center of the universe or that the earth is flat because I have never seen it.

I have another question. Scientists say that billions of years ago dinosaurs were killed out in some sort of catastrophic event (meteor sickness or something) why wasnt all life killed? Fossils are formed by heat and pressure. No need of hundreds of years. I think a world wide flood with sediment being kicked up as "the fountains of the deep broke forth"

getting into something here.

My bible talks in Job about a Behemoth. I dont know about you but it sounds big. It describes it as a very large herbivore with a tail like a tree. Hmmm what is large and has a tail as big as a tree?

All over the world there are stories about dragons, flying dragons, sea dragons, sea monsters, etc. Humans fought them off. If you had a large dangerous animal threatening your family you would kill it right? why not a dragon? or a dinosaur? Yes there are fossils from the flood. In Texas there are Fossilized human footprints inside of dinosaur foot prints. Noah took two of every kind of animal. Two dogs, two cats etc. Why not two dinos?


Food for thought.