Creationism vs. Evolution

So because life forms can randomly be exposed to chemicals or environments that effect the chemical reactions taking place in their bodies, there's no such thing as evolution? Or because random genetic sequencing passed on some unfavorable traits?

Right, there is no "perfect" lifeform. Simply better adapted for that environment at that particular time. Genetic advantages can change in less than 12 months never mind centuries and millenniums. If the environment changes fast enough, or if the animals are tasty enough, than the species was ill-equipped as a whole, and died, one of the fundamental principles of evolution. If you're inferior, you die. No one said it was fair.

Your post really didn't seem to have much of a point. If you don't believe in a concept because you haven't physically seen it living and breathing in front of you... well I just won't go there in this thread

 

Its funny that you bring up belief in your last statement. So belief, or faith whatever you want to call it. this is not a science discussion. It is completely a religious discussion from both aspects because you cannot scientifically prove either argument you can only believe or have faith in your argument. You may pull up a fact from your science text book and I may pull up a fact from my bible. You discredit mine because it is from a book that is written by man, well so is yours. Science books are constantly changing. updating and taking stuff out.

Currently underway is the updating of History textbook in which the country is going to edit out information about the foundation of this country and its roots that tie together with religion. It is going to edit out the faith of the founding fathers and great men like Lincoln. I find that a corrupt thing to think about. The same thing happens in science. Evolution is taught as fact when it is still not proven. It should be required in schools to teach both theories, evolution and creationism and let the students decide which is correct. I feel that creation was what happened.

The Bible says that he told us all we need to know. We dont need to know where God came from.

My facts from real scientists just like yours are discredited because they are not evolutionists. I frankly feel it is sad that these people dont in God but believe in random chance. That in the beginning nothing exploded and here we are.

 

My book says stuff like "plants produce energy through photosynthesis, they are green because it absorbs the most energy from the sun" your book says stuff like "a mythic being that we arent allowed to know anything about controls EVERYTHING." My book changes because new discoveries are made with new technology and new ways of thinking. It's funny how you discredit science because of it's ability to criticize and correct itself and insist that thousand year old rhetoric is credible because it has been stubbornly defended by close-minded followers. No new evidence has been presented, no updated edition. Just a bunch of people insisting it's true.

You think my opinion is sad and that anyone that doesn't believe in a higher being is "missing" something. I feel you are missing out on valuable life experiences and human interaction because you let an out-dated belief structure dictate how you live your life. This thread is a prime example. Our interaction stems from meeting on the grounds of discussing your beliefs. If I were to meet a devout Christian among a foreign culture I would hedge my bets that they were trying to convert someone.

 

just stop and look around you everything has to be created. The chair you are sitting in created by a furniture shop all the materials in the chair were created. you cannot look areound at anything that wasnt created. Nothing just exists. if you believe in evolution then where did the monkeys that we evolved from come from. did they just exist? if you want to say the big bang theory where two molecules collided in space and created a living cell and all life developed from that cell. where did those two organic molecules come from? All i'm saying is look at evolution how would all the different animals plants trees humans how would all that come from one living cell? the first animal how would it reproduce? I guess it just did huh? Everything has to be created!!

 

There is no such thing as a non believer just some people wont believe until it is TOO LATE!!

 

Some interesting arguments have been raised in this thread, but when you stay stuff like that...

 

Okay... not trying to get anyone upset but for those that dont believe if everything is true about jesus which i believe it is. Then all those that dont believe when they die or when christ comes back at that time it will in fact be to late. Someone said it earlier that the life of a christian is a good satisfying life helping others and living for christ. So he was right theres not much to lose. However if the non believers are wrong they have everything to lose. I'm sure everyone has burnt themselves at one time or another. Hurts right? Now imagine yourself in a body thst will not die engulfed in a lake of fire for all of eternity. If i am wrong im wrong and ill go wherever everyone else is going but if the bible is true again i believe it is then i have nothing to worry about, while the non believers have evrything to worry about.

 

I do not discredit true science, I enjoy science. That is observable and testable. When you get into theories it becomes a religion.

 

Sorry, I'm not going to be threatened into a belief system.

On a more generic note, why you're trying to debate a point it's helpful to not completely put off the person you're addressing right off the bat. You have to relate to them, present some at least believable information, and then schmooze on over gradually to the dying and your spirit going to a magic space ship with chocolate milk fountains. You can't lead off with "if you don't believe you'll spend eternity in a lake of fire!" I don't believe in eternity (the universe will eventually collapse again) and I don't believe in giant lakes of fire, because the closest thing, a star, is still finite.

If any of my posts are put-offish, it was absolutely intended that way, because I realize the words of some putz on the internet aren't (and shouldn't) be enough to shake your entire belief structure. But if you really are making some attempt at making me "see the light" or whatever, and I think you are, you're doing a pretty bad job. So far every one of your posts has validated my "religious people are socially acceptable nut jobs" opinion. I mean you just compared life and human consciousness one of the greatest coincidences we'll ever know, with an inanimate object a particularly coordinated 5 year old could slam together in an afternoon. I don't think my existence is so inconsequential that I'm worthless and shouldn't strive to do everything I can with the time I have available. I'm not necessarily nihilistic, I just think that when I die I'll turn into dirt.

 

NO. If evolution went that fast and made changes that obvious would it have taken millions of years?

I won't post my links again since nobody seems to be reading them. My past post addressed this in more detail.

 

Evolution

 

Great point!

 

Seems like most of your posts violate the point you're trying to make here.

 

hey dude, glad you could stop by and visit this chaos you created wow how it has evolved.

 

Again, back to SQUARE ONE! My post didn't seem to have a point to you, possibly because I too believed the same theories many years ago, and said pretty much the same things you are saying right now...and I DO believe in a concept that I can't see physically living and breathing in front of me, and that concept is the person of Jesus Christ. The belief is called faith, the same faith you display, only in a DIFFERENT concept. This isn't my first rodeo; having been in BOTH arenas, I found proof in Christ from a changed heart and mind personally, something I didn't have or find after years of chasing other religions/theories/women etc...and no I'm not trying to convert you, just sharing a personal experience and lending credence as to why I believe in creation; only God himself can change a person if the person allows, hence free will. Have a GREATday, and you're right in another post; take advantage of every day...

Welcome back AGENT! I guess I too believe in "post" evolution. I'm too old for this mental trauma; time for a PBJ nad a nap...

 

I read them!!!

 

In no way am I trying to "threaten" you into a belief system. (whatever you mean by that) I am just stating my opinion once more that evolution is a religion because you have to believe in something that cannot be proven or measured. If you were referring to me with the socially accepted nut job thing, How am I being a nut job? I am not trying to convert you. I was expressing my opinion of my beliefs and why. You expressed your beliefs, which is fine, but its when we get into these counter arguments you bring out the name calling. If you dont want to call it a belief system thats fine I would like to see some proof. Otherwise it is a belief system. Adaptation is not evolution like we are discussing here. Adaptation is short term. We are talking about the concepts of the beginning of life. that is what the discussion title is Creation vs Evolution

 

Yeaaaa what's that if not a threat?

I actually had a pretty good response typed up a couple hours ago but I hit the backspace button and it hit the back arrow and I lost it. Mustering up the gumption is possibly rewrite something that won't be as good.

We are getting off track and discussing the validity of religion. Which is relevant only in the sense that discrediting religion discredits creation theory. The strategy to discredit scientific arguments to the level of scripture is interesting though.

We've gotten to the point where adaptation of "God's creatures great and small" is acceptable. But the hurdle that can't be made is the timeline. To you, the idea of a multi-billion year old planet is laughable. I cannot hold scripture as a credible resource and all attempts at lending credibility to scripture are simply struggling to contort physical evidence to generalized writing. That looks like a stalemate to me.

 

I dont see that as a threat. they are stating their beliefs. But you are missing the point. The point is that evolution that we are discussing here meaning where life came from, cannot be proven it can only be believed. therefore this entire thread is a religious argument whether you want to believe that or not.

Plus if you feel threatened by something that you are sure doesnt exist, then you may want to think about why you feel threatened.