Specific questions on Eibach Coils.

Before some says the famous phrase "use the search button", I did do some research and read through the majority of the 5100/eibach thread. However, it's more towards showing off the lift rather than talking a lot about it. (and it's quite old)

I currently have 5100s set at 2.5?with the stock coils and a 1.5" aal in the rear. My front sits about 1.5" lower than the back with stock weight on the bumper. I have a 2.7l ext cab 2001.

I'm considering either going with OME coils or Eibach/Toytec coils to get some additional lift after dropping the 5100s to the stock setting and installing a diff drop. I've read that the OME coils will provide a better ride but it will be harder to get a solid 3" lift and the different sizes are a bit confusing. From what I understand, the Eibach coils will give a more promising 3" of lift (maybe I could even find a used set) but the ride is stiffer. But, how would the ride be compared to what I have now because I don't mind it at all.

Any help is appreciated and I can provide answers and pictures of my truck as needed. Thanks.

 

I have the Eibach 680lb. coils. Easily goes up to 3". I have the Toytec Adjustable coilovers. I also have the diff drop. If I go up to 3" the ribs on my CV axles will touch. That destroys them. I am set at about 2" with a little bit of rake in the back. I carry stuff so it levels out then. The coils were teeth jarring at first. About a year of driving has settled them down A LOT. Rides like a caddy up front now. Well - caddy for a light pickup anyway.

 

I had the 5100's w/ the 3" Eibach 620lb coils and diff drop. It gave me a solid 3" lift. I also have had my Camburg UCA's with the Eibach set up I had and now my new Icon set up too. And yes it was a stiff ride with the 5100's on the bottom setting, but not bone jarring to where it wasn't fun to drive. I also had a 2" AAL in the back w/ regular 5100's. Plus I have the 3.4 DC 4x4. So it's heavier than your truck.
I wasn't aware of Eibach having 680lb coils. But maybe that's what they have with the ToyTec adjustable CO's that @Xbeaus has. If you don't mind the ride, new coils are always better. Just don't go above the stock setting w/ those Eibachs. I switched to Icon ext. travel CO's set at 3" also. Plus Icon VS 0-3" 2.0 rear shocks with the same 2" AAL. It rides great! And I only go off road when I need too. To shoot guns up in the hills, trail riding and stuff like that. Nothing serious. So I'm not constantly blasting on my truck.
I'm not sure how your truck will ride with those Eibach coils since you have a the 4 cyl and an extra cab. I can only tell you from a DC V6 point of view.
Good luck,
Morgan

 

Another main worry I have is the bro lean since I only have a 1.5" aal in the back right now.

 

You could always go up to a 2" AAL or a shackle. That doesn't cost much. A lot of people will say get a new leaf pack. But that's a little pricey. It's all in what you can afford and what you use your truck for.

 

Maybe I'll have to wait a while. I'm really tight with my money lol.

 

save your $$$ and get some Kings. Cry once

 

It's probably 620 I just took a guess since I have had them for a while. lol felt like a 680 when I got them though!

 

Oh. Yeah I just remember they said 112-620 on the coils. I got rid of mine about a year ago. Sold them locally. Always the best way! I hear ya with the feeling of a 680,700lb spring though! They were a little rough!

 

If I did end up saving for a new leaf pack, which would be best for leveling my truck. (if I did 5100/Eibach combo in the front)

 

I've heard the most positive reviews on the OME Dakar leaf pack. Seems tried and true in the 1st gen world. Or - get some AAL and prepare to ride like a tank! ha

 

All pro standard leaf packs are or were just on sale right now and are more for flex than the All pro expos. Which are built for weight. Also, there's Deaver. Which are built for flex also. Check out @allpro website. @Wheeler's Off-Road Inc is another. @SDHQ OFFROAD and @HeadStrong Off-Road. They all have leaf packs to choose from. Now go do your HW!

 

I'll most likely have a while to do homework... Along with all the other homework I'll have this senior year. (my second semester is stacked with Calc Stats Composition and Government... How great) But on a more serious note, I might just wait and see if it could be a possible graduation present for a set of coils and leaf packs and maybe some other small things.

 

Here ya go! Get on it! NVM. It's a 9 month old thread that someone re vived today.
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/toytec-eibach-coils-112-620-150.472898/

 

Too bad it's across the country from me

 

And he hasn't been on since June

 

I would avoid the eibach 620' s. Expecially with a 2.4. With my 3.4 it's pretty damned rough. Relentless bumper didn't really affect anything once it was put on, but it doesnt weigh it down all that much.. Just "supports" it and any additional weight, really. On any drops (especially speed bumps) my suspension literally slams back down on droop because there's like zero down travel. Maybe an inch. Something like that. Ha. But it actually seems to ride better off road than on, surprisingly. Kinda odd.. They have softened up but only a tiny bit. Better than it was upon initial install tho for sure. When I lowered her off the jack, it didn't budge at all as soon as the tires hit the ground. Lol.

So yeah, with a 2.4, you'll have an extremely rough ride. Come to think of it, yep just checked, toytec does not recommend them for the 2.4 and states you'll see even additional lift.

I would look into the ome coils. I'm sure you could get 3" of lift. I might be a little more hard pressed to get the promised 3" like the eibachs provide than you tho. Research those and the different coils. Lots of info out there. Including the ome setup thread. I'm still confused by some of them, but will eventually do my homework as well and end up swapping them in the long run to ome, including shocks..

And I recommend dakars as well. Perfect amount of lift for me and rides great. Although it doesnt help my front is sorely mismatched to it. Lots of flex out back but barely any in the front. But with any max lift 2.5 or more up front, youll be hard pressed to get a nice ride over all. The back is easier to manage than the front in that regard I think.

Or, get some lift shackles for the rear for now. Maybe the adjustable ones. Cheapest route and better than aal if you're only worried about lift/leveling. I consider aal' s being to support additional weight/loads. Although many do use them for lifting/leveling. Or attempting to reinforce their sagging leafs. Or for some (albeit shackles or aal) its just a temporary fix to hold them over and save for the dakars/otherwise. Which sounds like would be your best bet.




So to reiterate, my opinion, is to get some 5100's with ome coils(you could consider the 5100' s as an entry level upgrade and then switch to ome nitros down the road) with whatever else is needed for 3" up front(research, but I would guess one of their coils will work out for you w/o anything additional, like top plate spacers, etc).

Then get some lift shackles in the rear. If funds allow it, 5100's as well to accomadate that lift. Also keep in mind you may/may not need an extended brake line. Among other issues like yiur exhaust, to deal with.

Edit:And to answer your question, comparing your ride how it is now with the eibachs setup... It will be a HUGE difference in ride quality. Your stock springs are way softer and even being preloaded by the 5100, its gonna ride way better. I had some rancho shocks paired with 2" spacers on stock coils(that were on when I bought it) and it rode waaaay smoother than what it is now. Granted it was only 2" lift. But keep in mind, lift is not all that affects ride quality. Its all about them coils(and shocks, as well as matching the front and rear setups as good as possible to work together too). A preloaded setup with softer coils will ride better than heavy duty coils 'designed' to support a shit ton of extra weight. Hell you could throw some spacers on what you have now and still come out better than getting eibachs. Lol. Although I dont recommend that.. Anyways, I just wanna be clear. And clarify. Because some dont mind the rough ride. Which you had said, but wanted to throw those comparisons out there for ya to give you some perspective. As well as reiterate your outcome will be even greater than most being 2.4. Although I'm sure some have done it and will tell you all day long their truck is great (....mhm...). But anyways.. I don't mind my ride all that much. But I do have regrets. And refused to believe what others had said about them being "that stiff" and thought they were just exaggerating a bit...... Nope!

 

Thats a lot of good info. I'll probably plan on researching the topic until next summer and then deciding on the coils. But I'm definitely leaning towards a set of Dakar's to replace my stock leafs and aal. The 5100s are long enough for Dakar's right? I think I read that the Dakars give about 2.25-2.5" of lift. Maybe a bit more for me.

 

Yes they're long enough. And yeah you might end up with a tad more lift. I actually ended up with like a full 3". But think they've settled down by now like .5" or so maybe? Idk I still gotta re measure. But its pretty level so I'm also happy about that...

And I didnt do anything extra for the dakars like bump stops or ubolt flip or anyrhing( except the extended brake line I did get, and greasable shackles). Of course I dont really wheel tho. And when I do go offroad I take it fairly easy anyways. So its perfectly fine how it is. And it performs great. Haven't truly tested it or anything tho, as far as how much flex and full droop.. But not worried about it one bit and Probly won't look into it or change anything. At the time, I was considering a semi-extended travel setup with the dakars and was told I'd need better shocks paired with a shock relocate. But with how it performs now and using the stock mounts with 5100' s, its more than enough for me... One note, is I did have to modify the stock bump stops a hair. The thru bolt on the leaf pack protruded too far preventimg the bump stop from sitting flush on the pack. So I just drilled out a little bit of material with a bit that matched the thru bolt size and viola. Waaaay easier than grinding/cutting down the bolt like I've seen done. But thats its m8. Of course it was no fun installing it all. Rear was more difficult than the front. But not too bad. Helps to have a helping hand. Which I did for the front but not So much for the rear.

 

How would you compare the ride of new coils to used coils (Eibach)? I've seen a few sets for sale that seem reasonable. Just curious.