TSS-P experiences?

Anyone have any experience with the new "standard" tech coming to the 2018 lineup? I've used Subaru's "EyeSight" on the new Outback but I was wondering if anyone knew how it would compare, especially the adaptive cruise.

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lol.

adaptive cruise not compatible with the MT's. no robots doing the driving over here!

but actually i often wished it was compatible with the MT's. it's a nice feature, but i personally haven't compared between systems.

 

My RAV4 has adaptive cruise. It's nice. Don't care too much for the lane departure though.

 

I've wondered about the safety sense compatibility with MT's. What happens when it automatically brakes and you are still in gear? Just going to stall out? I suppose that's better than hitting something/someone but still.

 

I don't like the lane departure on the Subaru either since it seems to beep at me every 30sec or so. Honestly I could take or leave everything but the adaptive cruise, not having to worry about the gas or brake in stop and go traffic is real nice.

 

Have it wife's rav4. It's sort of a let down tbh. I just wanted it for the adaptive cruise but it's so overly safe it's annoying and dumb. Even set to it's closest setting, it wants to stay too far back. If your doing 67 and a car in front of you is doing 65, you have to switch lanes way too soon. Then you become the asshole in the fast lane barely going the limit. You almost need to speed up to pass someone. Also the brake lights come on every time it adjusts your speed so you become a real nuisance by having your brake lights come on every 3 seconds.

 

I like the TSS so far, big thing is Toyota has released a dealer statement that they are not going to deal with the issues related to lifted trucks and TSS.

Toyota Safety Sense uses a camera and a radar sensor (behind the Toyota emblem most times). The Subaru Eyesight is 2 cameras by the rear view mirror.

None are perfect so far but I like how easy it is to turn on and off in the Toyotas. The Tundra and Sequoia have it now as well.

 

I wish everyone would stay as far back as the adaptive cruise does. I don't even know how far it is but tailgaters grind my gears. So asinine.

 

I'm actually ok with that. My 2nd gen burnt me out on lifting and tweaking and customizing. Not that I didn't enjoy it and learn stuff, but if I decide to go with 3rd gen here soon then it's probably going to stay stock in all the ways that count.

 

That's my issue too. It beeps every time you're near the line or you change lanes unless you signal.

 

You wouldn't by chance have a copy of that letter? The Magnuson act prevents companies from voiding warrantees based on modifications. It has to be proven that the modification damaged are rendered the system inoperable. Lifting a vehicle will only change the height of the sensor, so if you lift the front 2 inches, and the rear 2 inches there shouldn't be any change of the operation. Trucks are meant to be loaded down and tow with, if you add a trailer at 3/4 of the maximum tongue weight, no dealer can tell me that the rear of the truck will not be squatted down and change the angle of the radar sensors. So will they issue a statement that if you tow or haul anything with the vehicle the TSS systems will not work?

 

I'd say it has less to do with physically not functioning and more as a catch-all in case bubba throws his 8" lift on with swampers that change the speedo reading.

Think of it more like:
"Hey, we're not covering this if you do <thing>. Sure, we might end up actually having to cover it if you take us to court but first you'd have to have something happen, prove it was the TSS' fault, then you'd have to take us to court and pay a lawyer long enough to win. We'll take those odds."

 

Tire size never came into my thought process, the tires I'll plan on running or 3% larger than factory. Hopefully the switches that disable the systems won't have to be pressed every time you start the vehicle, but instead similar to the blind spot monitoring switch

 

There's a big difference between needing to switch lanes 100 yards from a car and passing at a reasonable safe distance. Keep in mind this all while doing within a couple mph of each other.

I agree about the tailgating, just trying to clarify my point I was trying to make.

 

It's not voiding warranty, it's explaining the operation of it will be affected and cannot be relied on. It makes sense. I cannot share the letter yet as it is not made public.

You're also pulling at straws as they encourage you in the manual to disable PCS when hauling/towing. The squat would never mimic that of a 2"+ lift, let alone a lifted truck that is loaded.

In my neck of the woods, most lifts are technically illegal anyway after a certain point, headlights are too high and mudflaps don't cover enough tire.

It's about liability, and ease of use. If there are errors the customers will expect it to operate the same as stock, which is unreasonable.

If I were to buy an 18+ Taco or Tundra, I would likely just disable it and do my usual 2" lift. I like Blind Spot Monitor, thats it.

 

I used the TSS-P package on the rav4 rental I drove for 3months and I strongly disliked it and wouldn't t recommend it and heres why:

Lane departure- beeps everytime you swerve out of lane, so if you're driving on a lot of curved roads and you bearly drive over the line you're going to get an annoying alarm going off every time you hit a curved road. I feel this feature is really unnecessary unless you really are a very uncareful driver but the only time I see myself swerving off a lane is if I'm texting and driving or falling asleep to which I don't do either every time I drive.

Adaptive cruise control - It adapts to the speed of the car infront of you but what I don't like about this is the distance it leaves, I have about a 4 car distance from me to the car infront of me which results in a lot of cars passing me over because of it, I really don't like this feature because of that, and also I feel it brakes a little to early than I would if I was the one in control driving.

Pre- collision warning - this feature would tend to go off a lot when I was driving and there would be a car infront of me completely stoped but I'm already switching lanes to the left or right the car goes off with a red warning light and exaggerated alarm tone, really felt uneccesary as well but I can see why some people would need that feature.

Adaptive high beams - This is a "nice" feature to have if you can't turn your high beams off yourself, it got annoying at times when I would come to a stop sign at the same time as another car I wouldn't be able to flash my high beams to signal to them to go. So if you ever come to a stop at the same time as another veichle you won't be able to flash your high beams to signal to them to go ahead.


If I were given the choice I would absolutely not pay extra for it, if anything I would actually pay more to not get on my veichle, also because of my experience short story being:

I got a rock chip on the rental rav4, and was told it was over $1000 to replace the windshield due to it having the lane departure camera attached to the glass, the dealership charges $900 to calibrate the lane departure camera, not to mention the cost of the glass.

so something to keep in mind is, with more technology packed into the car, the more expensive the repairs will be.
the only thing I love about these safety packages is the blind spot monitoring which I have in my tacoma, that I find extremely useful, but all the other features I feel are just packed into the veichle to charge you more for it, especially if you ever have to repair any of it.

I can only see myself recommending it if you are not a careful driver this day in age there is more texting and driving than drinking and driving to which this would suit those drivers perfectly, otherwise all these features are pretty much precautions you should be taking while you're driving.

 

I'm not pulling at straws, a letter was mentioned, I asked for it. I mentioned the fact that putting a lift kit on the truck, might be similar to loading the back of the truck down, as it would change the sensors as they were set up. That makes perfect sense that they would ask the driver to turn off the safety features while towing, just that it is requested you put it in tow haul mode on a lot of full-size trucks to keep the transmission out of overdrive. While I understand car companies have to protect themselves in situations like lifts etc., we as consumers have a right to expect certain reliability out of the systems that are placed on our vehicles. I've only experienced one problem with the car manufacturer which is Dodge for my mother's grand Caravan. The fuel pump circuit went out on the ECU, The dealer said there was a $350 fix by bypassing the circuit and running an external relay for the fuel pump. When I asked to look at the paperwork for the fix it was dated two years before my mother purchased her minivan. After taking a few pictures of the paperwork and calling corporate, they replaced the $790 ECU free of charge. My argument was it is been a known problem which I'll continue to sell vehicles with the same defect, they agreed and took care of the bill.

 

There's really a lot of bantering that goes on back and forth about this. All of the systems are easily activated or deactivated. As far as functioning is concerned, my truck is lifted 3" in front and 2" in back on Fox Coilovers and I run 285/70/17 with zero issues. Everything works when I leave it activated but I prefer to drive without it.

 

First thing I did was shut the lane departure off. How can it annoy people when all they have to do is shut the frickin thing off.