MT double clutch?

I abuse the heck out of mine, because the fact that the next owner of my PRO will have to replace the clutch isn't my concern

I am sure they will come on TW and complain "Why does a PRO need a new clutch at 55K miles, TOYOTA SUCKS"

 

Just shift and go.

 

When upshifting, keep pressure on the shifter in the direction of the next gear, once the revs match it'll slip right out/in. Downshifting requires some precision throttle blips ... which are tricky due to the delayed throttle response on the new tacos. Can be done without the throttle, but grinding is inevitable that way.

 

Interesting. Isn't that just a lot of wear on the gears?

What about starting from a stop. How does one get around that?

 

In 1st gear use the starter via clutch start cancel button, only if you need to as this will wear shit out. As for the clutchless shifting, you may wear out the bushing at the end of your shifter and develop slop, but I've been doing this for nearly 20 years without issue in a variety of vehicles.

 

Thanks for that info. I guess. I've learned something new today! I'll stick to my savings account as a worst case scenario haha.

 

This is one reason why I love manuals so much. Down the line, say a slave cylinder goes to shit, you can still drive your truck to the parts store. Might get a few funny looks, but you can still drive it. Between that and starting the truck via popping the clutch, it's fewer amount of failures that will leave you stranded somewhere.

 

@tonered maybe you could explain to the fine folks in here as to why one would double clutch? I feel like i read your explanation in the manual trans fan club/bs thread and it made sense to me

 

Thanks for the recommendation, but I never posted about double clutching.

Single is great for me.

There was this post by pinochle :
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...rations-welcome.406844/page-308#post-16165932

 

Hmmm.. sorry about that.. maybe i was thinking of someone else

 

just rev match. that's all the clutch is for really. two plates that slip until they are sync'd together. if you sync them (engine output and trans input shafts) prior to shifting you don't need a clutch. getting into first without a clutch is jerky though.

 

Haha! No worries!

 

If one were braking into a turn at very high RPM's, say in 3rd gear ... but knew they wanted to be in 2nd (with a spooled up turbo) once they got back on the gas ... double clutching is an option(left foot could be needed elsewhere for stability under high G forces). I'm no skilled driver, just using half assed logic here.

 

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/how-to-drive-a-stick-without-a-clutch

 

You were right about @pinochle
I went back and found the post

 

I tried double clutching a couple times on other cars. To me, it seemed to take so long that either felt that I lost too much speed / momentum (up shift) or wasn't decreasing speed fast enough (down shift).

It does help on the non-syncro'ed GB on my bike, but finding neutral between all the gears is too much of a challenge for me.

 

If you're shifting without clutching then your gears are probably trash anyways.

 

Interesting.. the only time i really ever double clutch is when im downshifting and skipping gears from like 6th to 4th for example. I always just single clutch whenever i upshift.

 

Hey! That's me!

 

Those were just the times when I was feeling out double clutching 20yrs ago. I came to the realization that I would not have liked non-syncro'ed GBs very much unless the ratios were really short.

When trying to drive the Taco for efficiency, I will go from 6th to 3rd or 5th to 2nd. Doing about 1,500rpm in the higher gears is really not a big deal for the motor, but is a big change for the clutch / syncros comparatively. Even then, though, the GB just snicks into gear. If it felt like it was being forced, I would certainly not skip as many gears.

I do think my gear skipping might end if the OV tune helps with engine braking, which is my biggest reason for doing it.

What used to drive me nutz was the Wife driving our MT cars (she hasn't had the chance to drive the Taco yet). Instead of skipping gears, she would row through them without ever engaging the clutch. After too many years of gentle reminders, I just gave up and chewed on my knuckles while she was doing that.

That and standing on the clutch pedal for an entire stoplight cycle are my pet peeves.