I think I hate my 4.10 gears, what to do?

I wish i can see those rpm going 70 with my 6sp, stock 265 75 16 turning 2700 rpm. I have not had it faster yet nearest freeway is 60 miles away. But than again im still learning the truck, had it 3 weeks now.

 

I agree that if you really don’t not like the gearing characteristics, get a larger diameter tire. You may have to give up some width and cut some more but at least you wouldn’t be throwing money away on the regear. There are several 34’s out there. My 285/75/17 are going on in a couple of weeks as are my 4.10’s , I will post my opinion then.

 

I put 33's on my truck and ran that for a while. I reheat to 4.3 after a year with bigger tires. The truck felt like a load was taken off the engine, but I didn't quite like it. It ran good, pulled good. Fuel mileage sucked about 220 miles to a tank, but I refilled at about 17-18 gallon Mark every time. After a year of that I went to 4.1 gears. No change. I was burnt at myself. It took a while to realize it was the big a$$ tires!
My suggestion to you is, look into tires that weight less than what you are running. My tire and wheel combo weight is about 80 lbs. And you can feel it even with the gearing.
Try not to beat yourself up too much over this and enjoy your rig.

 

Disregard

 

Yup tire weight is a huge factor in mpg.

Went from a set of P265/75R16 hankook dynapro ATM rf 10s at 39 lbs a piece to some Cooper AT3 LT265/75r16 load range c at 46.5 lbs per tire and lost a solid 1-1.2 mpg

 

I will await it.

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This is a helpful opinion. My gas mileage was better with gears before tires but I also was driving slow and waiting as I knew it was not final configuration. I guess if i drove that way the truck gets obky 1 mpg ot two or less than with lighter tires. It's not all about mpgs though. Truck just feels unhappy above 2500 and doesnt feel welcome cruising above 80. I really hated driving hours with engine at 3000 rpm with a trailer. I felt like 2500 would have been perfect which is where my 3.73s would be at 65 in 4th.
My tires are 62+26 for rims so 88lbs.

 

Yeah 88 lbs is up there. I've done so much research trying to decide on my next set of tires and weight is a primary factor.

With 373 and 88lbs you might be having to drop to 4th and rev even higher to maintain 80mph. Just a thought.

 

Right now I'm at 71 lbs with 4Runner trail wheels and 265/70/17 (31.7") duratrac C which is only 8lbs more than stock and I can feel the loss of power.

Next set is Koenig countersteer x plus 255/80/17 toyo at2 which is e load 33.1" at 69 lbs combined.

 

This is a great read. Thanks crew . Good Luck OP with ur decisions

 

Useful? @Kyitty just gave ya some real numbers. I found it useful. As to the concerns of the OP it should be a pretty good comparison to what he's finding with his setup.

 

It's a give and take relationship. With my 6 speed I feel like 33s are perfect and it feels better TO ME than the 265s did. I now have my eyes on 35s and often wonder how that would effect the truck. I just honestly don't feel like I lost anything when I went to 33s.

 

I mean, that's what I'm saying there's always a gear down when you need it but not up.

I honestly don't even feel like the heavier and bigger tires affected acceleration in any really serious way when I added them on. Maybe the 4.10s are whats to thank. I just feel like if first gear was a bit higher it would be more comfortable to shift into when corning hard, two might be a bit high for hard acceleration but hold kinda higher side-street speed. 3 would be well suited to a bit higher, even 45 and 4th would still cruise nice at 55 or so. Then 5th would work more like an actual overdrive,
The ratios just don't feel optimized to me. The gears I want feel like they are I between the ones I have if that makes sense?

 

It ain't gonna hurt the truck to run up the rpm's. In fact it is easier on the engine to do that than to lug it down trying to stay too slow. With tires that big, forget trying to run 75-80 mph. You made your choice; the bigger tires and lower gears help off performance but really hurt on road performance. Can't have it both ways. You may never use overdrive anymore. Your gonna have to slow down and you significantly reduced towing capacity.

When you regeared to 4.10's and stayed with stock tires you GAINED a lot of power that you got used to having. When you went up to 33" tires you effectively changed from a 4.10 gear ratio back to somewhat less than where you started with 3.73's. Probably somewhere around 3.60ish.

That is why your truck is sluggish. The added weight of the bigger tires doesn't help, but that is less of a concern than effectively changing gear ratios.

 

Useful, yes. The man said he hates his gears so trading seems like it might help the man instead of me just watching the shit show that was clearly coming whilst eating popcorn.

 

If he was closer I'd swap him my 3:73's in a heart beat

 

My 4.10’s are on the way FWIW

 

I'll need to regear at some point. I'd like to go bigger tires maybe but towing the camper off road, in the future, Idk if going with bigger tires is practical. I have 33's now

 

So I spent about 10+hours driving over new years and critically paid attention to a few things. I did highway driving, part of highway was closed so there was country and snow driving, and some city driving. Mostly i just drove how I would like and observed how much this affected my range per tank.

The biggest surprise to me was that I drove it the entire time choosing gears and kept the engine somewhere between 2-3k, not letting into overdrive under 55 and I managed the same economy as I have been seeing while having better thbottle reponse and probably driving more aggressively than normal. This as well as being in 4wd and passing a good deal on one of the fill ups.

Primarily I discovered that the engine is much more accommodating to high revs than I have ever given it credit for. The trans program normal keeps the revs real low and I have though of it as a torque-y lump that while capable of revs wasn't so happy with it. after everything I have read here and my drivimg the last two days i have realized that couldn't he further from the truth. It seems perfectly content wherever you place it albeit it has a low red line.
I even did some high speed cruising and not8ced the truck does not eat fuel at a dramatically increased rate above 2500 rpm like I used to notice before regearing with 265's. With the big tires i guess there is not a whole lot of extra power to accelerate around these speeds in 5th so actually it seems a bit better suited.

The other thing is I am glad 2 is not higher as it is an important gear for handling/cornering and I guess while I would like 4 to be a bit taller, 4 will take the truck past the tires rated speed and if it were higher the truck would be noticeable slower passing and in at higher speed ranges when hard acceleration is required.

Gas mileage was around 14 but all factors considered, (snow, driving styles, large tires) I ultimately don't think it's too bad. I think I might try and clean the MAF as I ran a k&n for two oil changes which might help economy?

I guess if i am to think of it next to a super charger it is 1/3 the price, the truck is still very quick with 305's which most people couldn't say, and 2 mpg or so worse is still better than premium XP. Anyways, thabkyou all for your input, I have come to see the 1gr-fe in a whole different light thanks to all y'alls insight.

Anyone else with 4.10's, 5 speed, the v6 and 33's, what kind of ranges are you seeing.
Edit, I see 210-220 to light but odometer is a touch off too, still probably not more than 230 corrected.

 

I want 35's something fierce. Which is why I went 4.56 originally. But with all the weight on the truck these days I wonder if 4.56 won't be enough on 35's. Plus everyone keeps telling me if I do 35's I'm going to ruin my front end (CVs, steering rack, etc).

 

Does this become an issue? Polly bushings, and aftermarket uca's not enough?

I guess solid axle swap lol. That also will make fitting them easier XD