Poll: Knowing it might void your engine warranty, would you run an aftermarket air filter?

You will find that the factory will do a lot of (good will) work.
But when they see a pattern of big ticket warranty claims coming in for the same thing, there going to check to make sure there legit. Go figure right? Like anyone they want a happy customer ...they just don’t want to be taken advantage of .

 

Using a non-Toyota air filter does not void your warranty.

I like how people like to throw that phrase around. No after market modifications will directly void any manufacturer warranty. That is a fallacy and one that probably shouldn't be perpetuated. It provides misinformation people use to make decisions regarding their truck.

Knowledge is power.

 

Finance dept is going to peek over the cube wall and make sure they are filtered well enough to last throughout warranty and beyond. Marketing will want as much power as possible and the ability to do as much as possible.

It is all about balance though. Can't cost too much, take up too much room, has to flow enough to make so much power...

 

Let’s get this thread back on track.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yxXWqjc5YSM

 

You are wrong. Using an aftermarket filter or part does not immediately void your overall truck warranty or engine warranty, but if that aftermarket part or filter is deemed the source of your engine damage, you are not covered by Toyota’s warranty, as they explicitly state in the Toyota warranty (see page one of thread).

What we are discussing here, is if the aftermarket part is deemed the source of the problem, as it was for our 55k blown engine buddy (who now has no warranty, or a disputed warranty from Toyota at last reading).

 

Kinda sorta.

My brother works on diesels. A welldigging company brought in a service truck with an aftermarket filter. Engine was dusted, bores were horridly scored, turbo looked like it had been sandblasted. Intake ductwork was in perfect shape. Pretty cut and dry dirt ingestion was the cause of death.

Service engineer blamed the filter, everyone in the shop did too. Dusted engines are pretty rare. Customer obviously wasn't happy. Basically it goes back on the owner to prove it wasn't the air filter. How do you go about doing that? String it out and fight it while the truck is down? So here is your $13k reman crate engine...

 

So if the OME paper filter gets wet, what happens to them, paper and water don't mix to well, right?

 

If it happens often someday soon somebody is going to wish they had a snorkel.

 

2nd blown engine. That's why I keep saying Toyota is using the filter as an excuse to send an irresponsible, negligent owner packing instead of handing him his 3rd engine in 55k.

The pictures of the engine bay were enough to show how little this guy cared

 

Toyota excludes that situation in their warranty under “What is not covered”. Specifically water contamination.

 

Yep but the east cost and other areas the humidity is huge with rain and wouldn't all that humidity when going though at 300-500 cfm with dirt plug up or make a paper filter fail?? I have like zero humidity here

 

Exactly, he handed them an easy excuse to opt out of warranting ANOTHER engine for him.
It would have been all too simple to clean the filter as he should have or even just put a stock filter back in the box before he had the dealership tear it down. I dont think the engine failure was due to the air filter, but it sure gave them an easy excuse that he would have to spend alot more money trying to disprove....

 

Humidity and rain are non-issues.

 

No. That’s not a thing.

 

No issue if you look at how the intake is laid out. Pretty much need to drive through pretty deep water to get it wet. Close to three feet plus deep. Rain or humidity has zero effect, except to drop the dust levels.

 

Toyota warranty only covers defects in Toyota products. Obviously it will not cover defects in products from other manufacturers. That's common sense.

I wouldn't expect Toyota to cover or replace my Weathertech floor liners if they warp. The idea you are trying to create is that it's dangerous to attempt to get Weathertech floor liners because if they have a defect it isn't covered by your Toyota Warranty, when in reality they have nothing to do with one another.

And no it does NOT VOID your warranty. It has nothing to do with your warranty, it's outside of the warranty. It's best not to use that language to mislead people. A lot of people think going outside of the owners manual, using non OEM parts, or modifications voids their warranty. This might lead people to not get proper warranty replacement or coverage when Toyota should be taking care of them.



I replaced my engine air filter at 30K miles with a cheap air filter I bought at Walmart. If my engine were to blow up and it was found this air filter was the cause, then I'd be going to the manufacturer of the air filter to resolve the issue. The same exact thing that I would do if my engine failure occurred after my Toyota warranty was gone. Again I have no idea what the Toyota warranty has anything to do with this. In no way shape or form would I expect Toyota to assume another company's liability.

 

AFE makes the TRD performance drop in filters

 

If i was boosted I would run an aftermarket filter. I don’t think it’s worth it stock.

 

So the guy we’re talking about should have no problem, right?
Except he is. Because Toyota is using that filter as a reason to deny warranty work. Because they can. And they are.

We aren’t talking about floor mats, we’re talking about a specific case where Toyota corporate can deny a second engine rebuild/swap because they say abrasive material got through the filter. I don’t think the spirit of this thread is “don’t use anything other than OEM or Toyota will deny your warranty claim”, as much as you make it out to be. A lot of us have non OEM components on our trucks and are not worried. I have aftermarket suspension stuff and Toyota still covers my alignments. Zero fucks given. But in the case that started this discussion, the aftermarket air filter that isn’t at OEM spec, his warranty is shot, and that’s the way it is.

 

You have definitive data for that?
Toyota is a smart company. Many, if not most, components are made by other manufacturers (to Toyota specs) and then private labeled "Toyota." The key is "manufactured to Toyota specs." Other components, such as shocks and tires, are just purchased by Toyota and allowed to retain the sub manufacturer name. These guys already had a product that was good enough and Toyota just buys them. So, if AFE makes the filters for Toyota, so what. Only Toyota and AFE know if their other filters would meet Toyota OEM specs.