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Dealership Rumor: All Electric Tacoma in 2020

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Dudeman86, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. Jan 8, 2018 at 12:10 PM
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    The covered grille could have been due to the design change for 2018?

    Stop start tech is an easy change compared to hybrid or full electric.

    But, it could have been a comparison mule used by GM or Ford?
     
  2. Jan 8, 2018 at 12:13 PM
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    I don't want one. I can carry cans of gas and there are gas stations everywhere. Can't carry cans of electrons and where to you charge it on a trip?
    I won't live long enough for it to be cost effective even if it fit my needs.
    Environmentalists leftists seem to be bad at math and common sense.
     
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    Does not surprise me at all. Volve and Chevy plan to go all electric for their cars and trucks by 2021
     
  4. Jan 8, 2018 at 12:14 PM
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    I read recently stop/start technology doubles engine wear. Another stupid idea that isn't cost effective.
     
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    This^
     
  6. Jan 8, 2018 at 12:16 PM
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    Seeing the third gen section forced me to get a Ford...
    Is it really that hard to keep politics out of every damn discussion on a truck forum?
     
  7. Jan 8, 2018 at 12:17 PM
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    I think CA is exploring a miliage tax. Your car would report to the DMV how many miles driven, and then you get a bill.
     
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  8. Jan 8, 2018 at 12:19 PM
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    I think they will pair this with a Diesel engine for Tacoma's and will come with a free trailer filled with unicorns
     
  9. Jan 8, 2018 at 12:19 PM
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    That is pretty interesting. That first power stroke does rattle, even when the engine is hot.

    I've wondered about ICE health with plug-in hybrids like the Volt. The thing runs so infrequently that it has to see a shorter life.

    I will only carry the weight of a single drivetrain in anything that I buy. We'll see what the future brings with EVs. Regardless, I will be a late adopter.
     
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    Well 2020 for full battery might be a little aggressive. We know this is going to be the future though. Battery technology is advancing quickly especially with the new element the scientist have now from the capture of Aliens a few years ago.
     
  11. Jan 8, 2018 at 12:20 PM
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    California is constantly exploring new ways to tax...
     
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    WA also. While I am not opposed to user fees, the problem of accurate billing is a huge problem. I don't want to be tracked. How can they bill accurately if I am not tracked? Like a trip out of state? I shouldn't be paying WA taxes while driving in Montana.

    It's gonna get ugly.

    In the end, gas taxes are efficiently collected. Adding a second meter for car charging at home would seem to be more reasonable?
     
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    Even if the electric cars were powered completely by petroleum-fueled power plants, they make energy with approximately 80% efficiency, which is superior to the average internal combustion engine, which has about 60% efficiency. Couple this with the fact that most states have at least some solar or wind turbines to supplement gas and coal plants, it ends up being cleaner than you migh think. The argument you're referencing is known as the "long-tail pipe" argument and was manufactured by an lobbyist group in the 90s to try and kill California's previous zero emissions vehicle mandate.
     
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    It's all really irrelevant to me--I'll be 72 in April, and am a more often than my wife and doctor would like non-compliant diabetic. Pretty sure I'll never own an EV or hybrid, in fact my '09 Taco may well be the last car/truck I will ever own...
     
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    Jeep is bringing a hybrid JL, I don’t see that out of the possibilities. Truthfully the torque from an electric motor would be a welcomed addition to this 3.5. Fill in the lack of torque under 3500rpm is a fantastic idea. It would be great off road too. I’d actually be a strong proponent if they can pull it off correctly.
     
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    Rented a Dodge Durango a year ago while on vacation and thought the engine kept stalling but then stepping on the gas it would start up again. Very unnerving. Didn't like it at all. Plus it was summer and the a/c cuts out when the engine isn't running. Not good for summers in a southern city. Also, wouldn't that wear out your starter and battery faster with all that starting and stopping. I would literally stop at a stop sign for half a second and the engine would stop and restart. And doesn't starting your engine use more gas than just idling for 5 seconds?
     
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    Saw a video on u-tube a few weeks ago putting a Tesla sedan up against a Ferrari of some sort. The Tesla blew the Ferrari away and did it very silently. Was pretty funny to watch.
     
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    Stop start uses a larger generator on the back of the engine. Restarting isn't much different than turning the injectors back on after DFCO. There is usually a rumble on the first fire, so that might be a misfire on one cylinder. So, a single shot of wasted fuel?

    I'm not a proponent. Just read some stuff.
     
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    Not just a Ferrari. They walk away from Hellcats also. But, the Tesla owners are paying $50k more to pull off that feat.
     
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    First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can neither be created nor destroyed--it can only be transferred or changed from one form to another.

    Therefore "Well-to-wheels" (WtW) efficiency and emission considerations are valid arguments that cannot be denied. Electric vehicles (EVs) do not "make energy" anymore than do petroleum fueled vehicles (PFVs) they convert potential (stored) energy to kinetic energy to propel the vehicle.

    With an EV the potential energy is electrical, generated (with inefficiencies) somewhere by some means, transmitted (with inefficiencies) to the charging site, and stored (with inefficiencies) in a battery for later inefficient conversion to kinetic energy so as to inefficiently propel the vehicle.

    With a PFV the potential energy is chemical, pumped from the ground and refined (with inefficiencies), transported (with inefficiencies) to a fueling site, and pumped (with inefficiencies) into a storage container for later inefficient conversion to kinetic energy so as to inefficiently propel the vehicle.

    To not consider all Well-to-Wheels inefficiencies¹ is to delude oneself with regard to the overall efficiency of one propulsion system v the other. There have been numerous serious unbiased WtW analyses performed and published that show no significant benefit to electric vehicles over petroleum powered vehicles; and no benefit at all when compared to the latest gasoline (like the Tacoma 3.5 L) and low-sulfur fueled diesel engines.

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    ¹ - None of the processes described above add energy, potential or kinetic to the WtW process--ergo they are by definition inefficient.
     
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