NJ B.S. Thread

Doubt it would cause an injury I hardly count a welt as an injury.

 

http://www.masterpull.com/benefits-of-synthetic-winch-line/

Read the second paragraph.

 

Okay so. If you ever get a winch with synthetic line we’ll hook it up and put it under a pretty decent load. Then you can stand over the line at one end and I’ll cut it near the other and we’ll see what happens

 

And then you can buy me a new line...

 

Nah. I’m just thinking you have such a strong opinion you shouldn’t have an issue going the extra mile to prove it

 

Im not going to spend double the money to prove it when there are a bunch of videos showing it online... it may not show what damage it will do but it certainly shows the energy difference when snapping. Everything has some sort of stored energy. Synthetic line is very minimal. It doesn’t stretch much and has a high breaking strength.

 

Wow. Then they are misleading people just like you. Because if that line stored NO energy as stated by you and the referenced article, then it would have dropped straight to the ground when it broke. But it did not, indicating a certain amount of potential energy in the line.

Can I get back up from a scientist or physicist on this one?

 

Both your original statement yesterday and the article you referenced said NO energy...
Get your shit straight or stfu

 

And @Wheelspinner , thanks for stirring the pot on this one. Sucked me in like a Mormon at a Teen pageant. Again.








Dick

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cYEMT5avIUk

 

@Wheelspinner - I too, have not personally seen a winch line failure, metal cable or otherwise. But the theory is sound that there IS energy that is accumulated and stored while actively pulling an object with a “static” line.

My biggest concern is not a line break, (whether synthetic line or metal cable), but what happens if there is a hardware failure at the winching attachment point? (D-ring, winch hook, vehicle recovery hook/attachment) where will that metal go? Will it drop down or become a dangerous missile?

The big question is: If there is a catastrophic failure of the winch system during an active recovery, is there a possibility of harm to an individual in the direct theoretical path of the winching terminal hardware during failure? And will a damper help stop that possible missile?

Let’s do an experiment.

Hunter is absolutely sure that there is NO energy stored in a synthetic line, so maybe he’ll agree to being part of an experiment.

We will try to simulate a winching scenario where terminal hardware (i.e. metal hook) fails during an active winch recovery.

I will cover the cost of all materials used in this experiment.

Part I: NO Damper:
1. Attach my synthetic winch line to Hunters truck using the winch hook attached to a synthetic soft shackle and then to his truck’s recovery point.

2. Move my truck 75 feet from Hunter’s truck on the high side of an incline.

3. Start winching Hunter’s truck until it starts moving. Stop winching.

4. Hunter (Full size cardboard cutout of Hunter) stand next to the winch line at midway point (35 feet.)

5. Someone with a very sharp knife ready at your trucks attached recovery point.

6. Restart winching until your truck moves.

7. Once truck has moved five feet AND while winching is still happening and truck still moving, someone cut the soft shackle with a quick/clean slice. Cutting the soft shackle will simulate a terminal hardware failure.

Based on the “ZERO stored energy theory of Hunter,” the winch line and the attached terminal hook/hardware should drop and not even come close to Hunter (Full size cardboard cutout of Hunter)

So Hunter (Full size cardboard cutout of Hunter) should be able to continue Part II of this experiment...


Part II: WITH Damper

Repeat Part I, except attach a weighted damper (~5-10 lbs) five feet from recovery attachment.


***edited to change out the real Hunter with a fake Hunter. For safety, of course.

 

Everything has potential energy. For me to say no energy was wrong but the energy is minimal... as long as your tow points don’t fail then the line is not going to hurt you by itself

 

Both of you are dicks.

Quit picking on Hunter.


He’s always right...





If he interprets his google research correctly.

 

Find a different truck. Im not into bending frame horns. Winching is for recovery not for experiments. Lets go to a test facility and do this...

 

@Subway4X4 & @The Hunter =Miogi and The Karate kid
@Wheelspinner & @stairgod =THE Cobra Kai.

 

Correction: Mister Miyagi to you please.

 

Karate Kid wins. I think you made a bad reference everyone is supposed to pick on me.

 

Guys Let me know when this one is over and I kick start the next one: "manual vs queer gears"

 

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After the recent failure of Marks winch line, he and I have been discussing a way to remove steel shackles from the equation. For one, I have been unable to locate a shackle stronger than a 4.75 ton WLL. And being able to eliminate an object with significant mass and potential energy from the equation is highly desirable.
Hooking a soft shackle to the same recovery point where a steel shackle normally resides is problematic because sharp edges and synthetic material do not go well together.
Also was thinking of removing my winch hook and just using a soft shackle to connect the spliced eye to whatever attachment point I need. My hook always get attached with a soft shackle anyway, so why not eliminate that hunk of aluminum?